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California Tries New Tack on Gun Violence: Ammo Control
NY Times ^ | September 9, 2018 | Ian Urbina

Posted on 09/09/2018 6:06:14 PM PDT by EdnaMode

SACRAMENTO — Sold from vending machines in Pennsylvania, feed depots in Nevada, pharmacies in Georgia and jewelry stores in Texas, ammunition is in many states easier to buy than cold medicine. But in California, which already enforces some of the nation’s most restrictive gun laws, there is a movement underway against the unfettered sale of bullets.

Gun control advocates here have pushed to limit internet sales, ban large-capacity magazines, require sellers to have licenses, raise taxes on bullets, and mandate serial numbers or other traceable markings on ammunition so that the police can more easily track them.

Such regulations, several of which have been enacted and take effect this year and next, are inspired by the view that the best way to limit gun violence is to approach it as a “bullet control” problem. As Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a Democrat from New York, told the Senate 25 years ago, when he introduced legislation that would have imposed a 10,000-percent tax on hollow-tip ammunition, “guns don’t kill people; bullets do.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ammocontrol; banglist; bulletcontrol; guncontrol
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To: palmer

“Doesn’t matter if they achieve only a small percentage of smuggling enforcement. California is a leading example of anarchy-tyranny. In this case the gang bangers will be swimming in ammo. But some working shlub who brings back a few rounds will be fined and might find himself jobless. Harassing the law abiding on what should be legal behavior is all they care about. Mainly because it is easy money, the law abiding don’t fight back, but also to promote the liberal agenda.”

They won’t even achieve a small percentage of success. This law is virtually unenforceable as there are less than 500 agents who can enforce these laws and they won’t get much help any other agency. People already come in from CA to buy ammunition and not one arrest has been made.


41 posted on 09/09/2018 8:08:47 PM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It takes 4 votes from the SC to hear an appeal. Kennedy has declined to hear many of them and Thomas has been itching hear them.

I have heard the speculation about Kennedy. I hope he has been the log-jam, but I often wonder about Roberts. It only takes 4 votes to hear a case. We have Thomas and Gorsuch, and, I think, Kavanaugh. We more likely have Alito than Roberts. It may be enough.

42 posted on 09/09/2018 8:11:23 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: jughandle
PA has ammo vending machines, like the one I just bought a soda from at Costco? Never heard of such a thing but cool if it’s true.

They were in a private gun club.

43 posted on 09/09/2018 8:13:38 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: EdnaMode

i see ads runnign now with kids askign heir parents ‘Is there a gun in the house’ and the parents looking dumbfounded on how to answer- like they are guilty of something-

Tryign to shame households into relinquishing their INALIENABLE RIGHT to self protection


44 posted on 09/09/2018 8:20:58 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: EdnaMode

If they backdoor-ban bullets, the only people they’ll hurt are reloaders. They’d need to ban CARTRIDGES — the entire assembled round — to deprive people of ammunition.

A bullet is just the projectile, not the case or the primer or the propellant.

More firearm illiteracy on display.


45 posted on 09/09/2018 8:23:37 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: marktwain

So yet another out of context overreaction by the media.

Went to a restaurant in the rural part of NE Pennsylvania last year and they still had two cigarette vending machines, nostalgic section by the bar but you could still get a pack of Marlboros. Guess that’s why the ammo machine seemed somewhat believable.


46 posted on 09/09/2018 8:30:06 PM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: marktwain

Roberts has been a disappointment and looks to be the new swing vote to keep the status quo.


47 posted on 09/09/2018 8:36:40 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Democratic socialism is when the majority of people vote to steal your property.)
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To: Lurker
And a reloading press and the skill to use it.

My press is well employed, but even that has an achilles heel. Powder, primers, brass and bullets. Of the 4 items, primers are a "must buy" item. Brass can be reused typical 10 times before some extra attention is required to anneal the work hardening and trim the brass. Turning necks on rifle brass to keep in concentric and true is sometimes needed. Bullets can be cast although it's pretty hard to match a top of the line Hornady AMAX-ELD for long distance shooting. Poweder? That's a pretty high tech mix if you want any kind of consistency. There's easily a hundred different products today with a wide variation in burn rates that are tailored for specific uses.

For short time, your reloading tools and supplies will keep you going. Eventually, the banners will seize control of the components too.

48 posted on 09/09/2018 8:43:46 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: marktwain
With Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, this will be challenged. I give better than even odds it is found unconstitutional.

Regulating ammo is the same as regulating paper and ink supplies to the commercial press. It is a direct infringement on the ability to exercise a protected right.

49 posted on 09/09/2018 8:46:28 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: EdnaMode

“mandate serial numbers or other traceable markings on ammunition so that the police can more easily track them.”

This is such an airheaded approach
that is easily circumvented.


50 posted on 09/09/2018 9:20:44 PM PDT by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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To: chrisinoc
“Is California going to check Californian’s cars returning from Nevada?

That is one of the routes that let you avoid the checkpoint. From Bull Head City/Laughlin, in through Desert Center then on to Palm Springs/LA.

51 posted on 09/09/2018 9:28:00 PM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: IronJack
More firearm illiteracy on display.

And yet not a single sole that read it did not know what they were talking about. If a banger loads a clip in his glock and shoots you, you are still dead even though he didn't know he actually loaded a magazine, not a clip.

52 posted on 09/09/2018 9:32:55 PM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: Myrddin

I talked to an immigrant from the former Soviet Union. Even there, you could get powder and primers for shotgun shells.

He said they only had two kinds of powder, black, and smokeless. He preferred black because the smokeless was much more finicky.


53 posted on 09/09/2018 9:33:02 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: libstripper

Confuse them...and ask about shotgun pellets.........


54 posted on 09/09/2018 9:36:29 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot)
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To: marktwain

Good info.


55 posted on 09/09/2018 10:13:11 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Myrddin

“Eventually, the banners will seize control of the components too.”

Only if we allow it.

L


56 posted on 09/10/2018 2:57:51 AM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: EdnaMode

Striving for gun free states a criminals Disneyland


57 posted on 09/10/2018 3:08:01 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: itsahoot

True. But maybe the people writing articles about the topic shouldn’t be quite as ignorant as some street trash.


58 posted on 09/10/2018 5:15:25 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: marktwain

Great link!

Though non-corrosive primers still require restricted/registered purchases. Ammo will always be the weak link, but there is always plenty around for those willing to work for it.

I believe the proper military term is expedient acquisition. It’s second nature to most Marines I know. LOL


59 posted on 09/10/2018 5:32:35 AM PDT by antidisestablishment ( Xenophobia is the only sane response to multiculturalismÂ’s irrational cultural exuberance)
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To: EdnaMode
Bullets don’t, but cartridges might. 😀
60 posted on 09/10/2018 5:53:51 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Keepin' it analog.)
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