Posted on 07/14/2018 11:10:40 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
A top aide to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said on Friday that Iran would immediately withdraw its “military advisers” from Syria and Iraq only if their governments wanted it to.
“Iran and Russia’s presence in Syria will continue to protect the country against terrorist groups and America’s aggression,” said the adviser, Ali Akbar Velayati, in a conference in Moscow, according to Reuters.
“We will immediately leave if Iraqi and Syrian governments want it, not because of Israel and America’s pressure,” he stressed.
Iran and Russia back Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in the country’s civil war. Iran has been providing Assad with both financial aid and military advisors against a range of opposing forces.
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OK, fine, let’s ask them. First bomb the shit out of their entire military, then ask them to leave Syria.
I understand your thoughts on that. Its fine if someone gives them a home land as if it is freely given by a sovereign country. I dont think that will happen inside Turkey and it damned sure wont happen in Syria as the Kurds were fighting the elected government of Syria. There is a kurdish lobby here meddling in our affairs trying to get us to fight for them to TAKE land from sovereign nations.The president has no such inclination.I am no expert on the Turkey /kurd issues, I suspect they stem from attempted annexation of Turkish land and resulting in quick and sure military actions by the Turks who now hate the Kurds which is easy to understand. The Kurds were well established in Irbil and Kurkuk region Northern Iraq and relatively let alone by Saddam Hussein and, in fact, they had a revenue and pipeline deal on the Iraqi oil fields there. But we screwed that up bad and now Iran controls that region big time, The Kurds then matriculated into Syria and that didn’t work.
Muqtada’s out from under Iran’s thumb? Is Sistani still alive? Turn your back for a few decades, and the chess board’s rearranged.
But if Muqtada is at the helm, use him. I’m sure if you introduce him to a hooker that pleases him, he’ll be happy to ask Iran to leave.
They’ll stay,of course, because Syria’s Assad also has to ask them, per the statement, but that means he’ll be resented in Iraq, and with a little help from the US, they can start leaving IEDs around Iranian “advisors”’s camp sites. Donald gets to play Ho Chi Minh to Muqtada’s NVA.
Support the proxy with the most promise, and let them make a quagmire for America’s enemies. Vietnam was instructive. Be Uncle Ho.
Sadr is back, and now he is on top. Even thoe has already ordered Iranian General Soleimani out of Iraq - the day after the election. Sulemani had to leave Baghdad, but the PUK Kurdish Party allowed him into their part of Iraq (Sulaymaniyah).
Often the best revenge against savage anti-American thugs (like the Iranian regime’s surrogates in Iraq), is to give their domestic opponents the power to run roughshod over them. They will do a thorough job on them.
Sadr has a network with plenty of hard guys from the slums, who have notches on their AK’s and scabbards. They are one of the few groups in Iraq that could go thug for thug, and murder for murder against the Iranian-supported gangs - and they are going to take their lunch money. This is their chance to get rich. The money from the rackets that Iran’s allies control will just support Sadr’s political opposition if he doesn’t take it, so he kind of has to anyhow. There is an element of win or die in the Iraqi political system.
The biggest individual plums will be (first) control of the port in Basra, and eventually the oil from Kirkuk. Sadrists will be replacing the bag men from the other groups (SCIRI, Badr, Ameri’s group) throughout the Government ministries. That is likely a big part of the reason that Sadr ran on cleaning up Government corruption - it can justify mass firings, to put your own people in place (it is also politically popular, and badly needed).
“Is Sistani still alive?”
He sure is, and he is backing the demonstrations going on now in the Shi’ite heartland in the South - essentially a takeover by Sadrists from Iranian surrogates, with a good bit of popular unrest over electrical outages and general poor Government.
What if we really don't have an enemy nation-state? No problem, just declare a "war on terror" and drone-strike weddings and funerals because the participants are displaying weapons and firing them into the air - OUR air because we have assets (such as drones and missiles) flying around in it!
Then you double-tap the first responders to the scene because hey, why not?
In the USA just the appearance of an armed drone would spark armed outrage, but in some cultures which are already inured to deadly violence, you have to kill a BUNCH of them to stir up the others. But you gotta do whatever it takes to have a durable war on terror.
Well, then, there’s some cause for hope. Sistani’s more reliable than the boy Imam Mooqy. He has a conscience and a sense of mission, or at least he did back when I kept track of him. Mooqy’s a pure opportunist, who fortunately saw an opportunity to turn on his erstwhile Persian handlers.
“Apparently the previous administration believed “the proxy with the most promise” is ISIS.”
I think the previous administration was looking for a very different sort of promise. What exactly that was, I can’t guess, not having been in on O’s summits with Beelzebub.
Backed wrong proxies. Used drones willy nilly, as you allude. Drew red lines in disappearing ink. WTF WAS his Syrian policy? Something like the South Park credit resolution policy? Feed laxative to a chicken and see where on the game board it poops, and use that to decide?
IOW, he just loves a quagmire. Thanks Eleutheria5.
The answer to 'why that policy' is found in Gladio.
“Iran may be getting muscled out of Iraq”
Since when isn’t al Sadr Iranian backed ?
#11. Have to differ on your sentence “The South Vietnamese had unlimited arms and air aid from the US, Australia, NATO and So. Korea”.
Not so. NATO did almost nothing in SE Asia. Australia sent a couple thousand very good troops with minor air support.
So. Korea sent at least two divisions (White and Black Horse) to two provinces where they were very successful against the indigenous VC forces and VCI.
However, the country did “trade” with SVN such as the much needed fertilizer used with the new miracle rices (I saw at Dai Tam Agricultural Experimental Station in the Delta).
We often gave the SVN armed forces older weapons, not enough aircraft and definitely not enough ammunition, radios, etc.
Our aid was nothing compared to the combined Soviet Bloc/Red Chinese pipeline that went from the early 1960’s thru 1975. I’ve seen those arms.
In the end the US Congress starved the ARVN to the point that they could no longer defend their outposts.
In the end Russia and Iran could starve Assad’s forces to the point where they can’t defend their own outposts, once both major players are demoralized until they no longer want to play. Just find the right proxies and it can happen, as it did in Vietnam.
I’d guess that the Kurds are a good bet, and that Muqtada might be good, so long as Sistani sticks with him. IEDs, gas cap incendiaries, punji sticks for the grunts, and morale will sag in Syria.
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