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Why parents struggle with Common Core math: “The diagrams are absolutely insane.”
San Jose Mercury News ^ | June 17, 2018 | Karen D'Souza

Posted on 06/17/2018 6:25:25 PM PDT by BobL

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Eight years after California adopted new standards designed to boost students’ critical thinking and analytical skills, it’s become clear that a critical group was left behind in the push to implement Common Core: parents.

The good old days of memorizing math formulas or multiplication tables are gone. Instead, Common Core math requires students to show how they reason their way to the right answer. As a result, many parents say homework is far more complicated than it used to be. For example, the right answer to 3×5 isn’t just 15 anymore, as one popular social media post noted. It’s 3+3+3+3+3. And it’s 5+5+5. The new methods leave many parents baffled.

“I despise common core math,” says Katie O’Donnell, a pediatric respiratory therapist who lives in San Jose and often uses math at work. Though she loves volunteering in her son Nima’s class, she admits she sometimes ducks out early because she’s embarrassed that she has no explanations for students who ask for help.

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To: ssaftler
The Elements is an entertaining Lehrer offering.
61 posted on 06/17/2018 7:39:22 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: lightman

The concept even has a name in the serfdoms of Latin America. It’s called “chaqueteo.” If anyone in the masses tries to raise his head above the rest, the rest grab him by the tail of his jacket and pull him back down.

If you can make serfs of people for a few generations, you’ll no longer need government power to enforce uniformity — it’s enforced from below.


62 posted on 06/17/2018 7:39:57 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: colorado tanker
I looked at her textbook and realized it didn't have the formulas.

Amazingly some math teachers think that the kids should figure out the formulas for themselves. That's nonsensical. None of the teachers would accept a college course in math, or physics, or chemistry or even computer science where the professor said "figure it out for yourself."

63 posted on 06/17/2018 7:41:02 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: BobL; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; ..

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the other articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

64 posted on 06/17/2018 7:42:49 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Nifster
"new math"

I remember that being told to us.

Pissed my Dad off. He had ONE math book for all off high school. He became a EE.We still his math book. It meant that teachers had to teach.

65 posted on 06/17/2018 7:44:18 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's fore sure)
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To: PrairieLady2
Different people have differenSome learning styles, and that goes for kids, too.

Indeed. I was 9 weeks into my sophomore year in high school. My sinuses were not doing well with the band field shows. I arranged to swap band for chemistry. Everyone in that classroom was a junior or senior. My dad recommended cracking the textbook for the class and doing all the chapters and questions to catch up. It was 3 1/2 weeks later that I finished the whole book. Easy A. The next year I was a senior (having accrued enough credits to rate the class standing). The pattern continued until I graduated from UCSD at age 19. Give me the book and in due course it will be mastered.

66 posted on 06/17/2018 7:46:08 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: BobL

Thanks.


67 posted on 06/17/2018 7:49:23 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: lightman
"Harrison Bergeron" is a short story that demonstrates exactly what sort of world the "social justice" warriors want.

Another example would be "This Perfect Day."

Mark

68 posted on 06/17/2018 7:52:03 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: pinkandgreenmom; BobL

Also, the old Saxon Math, the editions with the hardcovers.

The newer ones, the soft cover books, were said to be not as good as they also changed the curriculum when they went to soft cover.


69 posted on 06/17/2018 7:52:21 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: pinkandgreenmom; BobL

We used Rod and Staff for reading, phonics, and English.

Fantastic stuff and their reading program is very solidly based on the Bible.


70 posted on 06/17/2018 7:54:17 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Myrddin

Diagraming sentences was never my strong suit. It felt like math—which I wasn’t stellar at, either. But I knew good writing when I read and appreciated that proper engineering relies on a solid foundation of mathematics. But I thank God for the education I have and can’t imagine the nightmare kids are being put through now.

It’s like they’re trying to put all kids (rich, poor, sharp, dull, native, and immigrant) on the same abysmal level. Only the rich or connected kids are going to have the ability to make it through that. Which I’m sure is the goal.

It’s a damn shame that when Common Core was foisted on kids, that the ones passing the legislation weren’t required to master it and teach it to their peers before even being allowed to vote on it.


71 posted on 06/17/2018 7:59:16 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: jjotto

Tom Lehrer. Don’t have any like him now but I don’t think his type of humor could draw much of a crowd these days.


72 posted on 06/17/2018 8:01:17 PM PDT by BBell (not drinking, just a smart a$$)
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To: BobL

Another gift from the Bushes and Gates foundation


73 posted on 06/17/2018 8:01:49 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Deaf Smith

I was so so with the new math

Went to college and took my college algebra from a rock solid prof. He lit a math fire that launched my career. Math was a minor. Lasers and electro-optics was my major


74 posted on 06/17/2018 8:04:03 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: metmom; pinkandgreenmom

Agree on the Saxon hardcovers. Also look for the name “Saxon” as an author or co-author. You cannot go wrong if you do that.


75 posted on 06/17/2018 8:05:39 PM PDT by BobL (I drive a pick up truck because it makes me feel like a man)
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To: akalinin

We have twins. One of them could do it both ways (common core and just “math facts”). The other one could only do it with math facts (or whatever the “normal” way is called).

The teacher called us in on the one that was getting the answers “wrong”. We had a long talk, but it came down to me saying “Her answers are correct. You can give her an “F”, but we don’t care as long as her answer is correct.” The teacher understood, and actually agreed with us. But he said it was against the rules to teach the math facts.

So, my wife and another gal asked if THEY could teach the facts. The school agreed. So they would go in during the math period and be out in the hallway every day teaching the math facts to the kids. Did it for years - adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing.

The teachers were for it, the principal was for it. The school board was against it, and my wife and the other gal were left on their own so that if the board every found out the teachers wouldn’t get in trouble for going against the rules!


76 posted on 06/17/2018 8:12:14 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: jjotto

The intentional destruction of the minds of ALL our children started before John Dewey in 1930..... They destroyed the ONLY system of EDUCATION which could give children the TOOLS to think for themselves and have a mind like Tesla (whose father was an Orthodox priest and supervised his “education”.
They removed the Trivium and the Quadrivium for brainwashing system (they destroyed the curricula deliberately!!!!! with brain numbing cr*- like “jump, jane, jump?) Excellence BANNED for mediocrity and debasement.

We KNOW what created the Age of Reason and the most brilliant minds in the history of mankind and men who could write the most brilliant Constitution in the history of the World.....so the elites took Wundt, Fichte, Pavlov/BF Skinner, Watson, Dewey and developed a SYSTEM (the Prussian “group-(non)-think” one which created the Hitler Youth)——to brainwash and condition children to be slaves for the State—incapable of “thinking” for self. They hated Henry Ford or people like a Mark Twain who could rise from poverty and dare rival the elites (Lucifereans/satanists/bankers).

When parents start getting upset with how dumb their children are, the teachers give them new terms, like “New Math” and Race to the Top, Progressive “education” LOL....... It is ALL the SAME defective toxic curricula designed by the pederasts and Marxists like Billy Ayers to literally embed evil ideologies into your children and hyper sexualize them (with Sex Ed created by Lukacs) to destroy virtue formation. To destroy Virtue in children is to make them into Slaves for the State for life. Even Socrates knew that Virtue is essential for Freedom.


77 posted on 06/17/2018 8:16:13 PM PDT by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: Hugin
"but got in trouble because I couldn’t “show my work”."

That comment made me remember this pic


78 posted on 06/17/2018 8:18:50 PM PDT by LeoTDB69
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To: BobL

I am still somewhat undecided. I have seen things work out very well, others not so well. I agree though, be prepared to re educate your kids.

I have noticed that the math modules are structured to prepare their thought process weeks ahead. When a new concept pops up it takes me about 30 seconds to explain it and he is off and running.

Common Core is big visualizing math problems, while I agree with developing this to a point, but they sacrifice foundational concepts which are essential to memorize. I usually need to go back and enforce those foundations.

The biggest problem is the CS (chicken s?*#) factor. Most of the time work is presented without direction and the kids waste time guessing. It seems that some modules are intentionally designed to frustrate. I guess they think that boys work harder when frustrated, but they are dead wrong on that one; they tune out.

I have come to the conclusion the Common Core was concocted by a bunch of over educated arrogant idiots who think they have a better way. They toss out thousands of years of teaching methods that work for a new idea.


79 posted on 06/17/2018 8:31:58 PM PDT by Dawggie
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To: RetiredTexasVet
But then, since all work is to be done in groups, if the group answer is 17 then it is considered a correct answer. Just hope they don’t grow up to be surgeons, pilots, etc.


It's OK, it would qualify all of them to be climatologists. :^)

80 posted on 06/17/2018 8:37:30 PM PDT by az_gila
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