Posted on 06/15/2018 2:15:44 PM PDT by ColdOne
Full title................'This is harassment and racial profiling!' California woman forces Border Patrol agents off a Greyhound bus using the Fourth Amendment after they demanded to see everyone's documents......................The incident took place at a border post which used to be used to check for fruit being brought into California because of an invasive species of fly.
But on this occasion when the bus stopped, Smalls said the driver announced: 'We are being boarded by Border Patrol. Please be prepared to show your documentation upon request.'
Smalls said she stood up and began shouting: 'This is a violation of your Fourth amendment rights. You don't have to show them s***! This is illegal. We are not within 100 miles of an international border so that have no authority to ask you for anything. Tell them to f*** off!'
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
So even this legal criteria wasn't met.
It's likely though that even without her, the people on board would have known this if they were bent on trouble. Innocents would be the likeliest ones to be hassled. Which is a mess, and once more points to why we need a good wall.
Yep, me too. There must be probable cause here in the good old US of A.
There are Border Patrol check points on all 3 freeways going out of San Diego County, but they are all within 100 miles of the Border.
They cannot physically stop every car on the road and ask for a license or ask if you have drugs/illegal stuff in the car without probable cause. What they are really looking for is someone to make an illegal U-Turn or exit the road off the shoulder which gives them the right to really stop you. All they can do is slow you down and look for illegal items that are in plain sight.
Guam does this on holidays. They set a radar trap and stop everyone who is even slightly over the speed limit. (Hint they will tell you you were over the limit whether you were or not)If you have no open beer or are not chewing betel nut they then let you go without a ticket.
What you have described on a road would be analogous to having and ICE agent stand beside the door of the bus and look at everyone who is boarding. Yeah, obnoxious but legal.
The police do not have the right to stop everyone and ask for ID. They cannot enter a bus and ask everyone for ID.
I’m always amazed at responses like this on a site called “FREE REPUBLIC”!!!!!! I think you need to move on over to the sister site called “Totalitarian Republic”, you might be happier there.
Coming east out of El Paso, they photograph the license plate and the driver (maybe the front passenger, as well). We got waved through, some folks are diverted for a conversation. We had taken our passport cards just in case. Never go to La Frontera without them.
We have Border Patrol SUV’s along state HWY 104 on the Olympic Peninsula - we’re hours away from the Canadian border.
Cool! Fight the encroaching military state lady. In our quest for PC we leave common sense at the door.
The woman is correct about BP being outside of the 100 mi statutory buffer zone, but her logic is the undoing of the nation.
If it’s “racist” to pursue and apprehend those here illegally, then there are no borders.
And “hispanic” is not a race, it’s not even an ethnicity. It’s a linguistic cohort. Blonde, blue eyed Spaniards (and there are millions of them) have no genetic relationship at all to the average Mestizo...they share only a language.
Having a border and enforcing it is not “racist”.
The Brits would have loved the powers we have given .gov from back in the day.
They can and do within the border areas. Travel on I-10 near TX/NM. There is a border patrol checkpoint that stops all traffic.
Some of the comments here are appallingly in support of totalitarianism.
SMH
Not for me.
Really? I have driven north out of San Diego on I-15 numerous times and have never seen a border patrol check point. Maybe I wasn't paying attention.
I was stopped at the border some time back. I am a US citizen from Cuba so I can excuse the guard for being cautious. I told him I could prove I was a citizen.
I pulled down my pants and showed him my tattoos. On my left, "cheek" is George H.W. Bush and on my right is George Jr. The guard said it was the fact that I had BJ Clinton righ smack in the middle that convinced him to let me pass !)
Concur.
No LE authority can do this. We don’t ask for papers here.
In a car, they can ask for your driver’s license.
On foot, they can ask to see ID, but you don’t have to provide it.
You can also ask why you’re being detained. You can also ask if you are under arrest. If they don’t answer, you can ask again until you get an answer.
If you have a phone, you can then say that at this point I’d like to contact my attorney. They can’t stop you, and it allows you to then take your phone out. If you think you are being stopped, having your phone in your hand is best, because reaching for it can be interpreted as reaching for a gun.
I forget how Murphy stops work, but reaching for your phone might trigger it.
If you have your phone in your hand, start recording the encounter for your own protection. It’s ‘he said, she said’, and the court is going to side with the officer, even if they are lying (which happened to me, and was refuted by the video evidence).
If the police lie in their testimony, nothing happens by the way. Nothing.
This only works if you are stopped while not being in a car. In a car, you have to produce your license and registration upon request.
If you are stopped at a sobriety checkpoint, what a mess. Best to just call your attorney while you are in line waiting. Completely unconstitutional, and yet many counties still do it.
I heard there was probable cause on the bus. Some guy in seat 5A was reading the book “How to Scale Really High Walls”, a lady in seat 17C was cooking tacos, and a Mariachi Band was playing in seats 22A, B & C.
So the DailyMail got its headline. That’s not going to deter us from catching illegals the right way.
Better a 9/11 every single day than relinquishing our Constitutional rights.
Yeah, coming across the border, sure.
Middle of the country? Any official boarding a bus and demanding everyone’s papers needs to given a lesson on why the Second Amendment is important.
Sounds like the people who think this ‘show me your papers’ crap deserve neither liberty nor security.
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