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The Cal 3 Initiative: Three Californias may be coming soon
American Thinker ^ | 04/16/2018 | Fritz Pettyjohn

Posted on 04/16/2018 10:03:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Tim Draper is a rich man, but he understands he doesn't know it all.  His first attempt to divide California into six states made little sense.  So he went out and got some people who are experts on the subject.  The result, Cal 3, is a political masterpiece.  This could work.

When California was admitted to the Union in 1850, it had only 92,000 people, most of them scrambling for gold in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada.  That's why California's county lines are so screwy.  Los Angeles County now has 10,000,000 people.  Alpine County has 1,000.


Cal 3 divides the state along lines
that make geographic, cultural, and political sense.  The population is divided roughly into thirds.  North and South are still very large states, and what's left of California would be a medium-size state.

In order for this to work, it will need to get a majority not just of the total vote.  Majorities will be needed in all three prospective states.  Looking at this map makes me think that could happen, for one important reason: partisan politics.

The Democrats in Washington, D.C. are going to love this idea.  Now California has two Democratic senators.  Under Cal 3, it will have four Democratic senators from ultra-blue North California and California.  The two senators from South California will be up for grabs.  Democrats could pick off one of them or even two.  The Democrats will not lose Senate seats, but they might gain one or two.  For a D, what's not to like?  Plus somebody gets to fill these new Senate seats.  People's eyes will light up.

If the Democrats win control of both House and Senate this year, they would have an incentive to support Cal 3.  The backing of President Trump can be negotiated.  

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: cal3; calexit; california; newcalifornia; secession; timdraper
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Take that strip they are calling “California” and run it up to just north of Oakland. Then the rest of the state can be another single state.


41 posted on 04/16/2018 10:42:22 AM PDT by FLT-bird (.)
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To: pepsionice

The old ‘every state needs a Democrat-run shithole’ trick.


42 posted on 04/16/2018 10:49:44 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: SeekAndFind

The question is why are the Libs grouped the way that they are in the present California? Do they move themselves into those areas or do they brainwash their offspring to be Liberal and to stay in those areas? Same question with most State capitals.


43 posted on 04/16/2018 10:50:27 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve got a better idea, we vote based on acreage. One vote per acre.


44 posted on 04/16/2018 10:51:06 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals can kiss my bitter clingers!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Still got to apply for statehood. I vote nay.

5.56mm


45 posted on 04/16/2018 10:52:56 AM PDT by M Kehoe (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually, I would suggest going the other way. California has shown that it is not capable of maintaining statehood, it should be returned to US territory status.


46 posted on 04/16/2018 10:58:40 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: Ingtar; All
"Adding 3 or 4 more Dim Senators? With the state fraud level, don’t count on any GOP wins."

Adding new Dem senators is comparable to FDR’s failed court packing plan imo.

Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937

In fact, note that the admission of Nevada to the Union was an attempt to ensure Lincoln’s reelection and Republican control of Congress.

"Statehood was rushed to the date of October 31 to help ensure Abraham Lincoln's reelection on November 8 and post-Civil War Republican dominance in Congress, as Nevada's mining-based economy tied it to the more industrialized Union.”—Nevada

At this point in time, what reason is there to divide a state into smaller states other than for the post-17th Amendment ratification Progressive Movement to maintain control of state powers and state revenues that the corrupt feds are continually stealing from the states? Insights welcome.

Perhaps Texas should have a “nuclear” option to divide into 10 red states?

47 posted on 04/16/2018 10:59:52 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Ingtar

Yeah, look at each area. Northern California would go dem because of San Fransisco/Oakland, and Sacramento. California would be dominated by Los Angelis voters, so 2 more dem senators. Southern California has San Diego.

They split this up to create 4 new democrat senators.


48 posted on 04/16/2018 11:00:05 AM PDT by z3n
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To: SeekAndFind

And it looks like each new state will still be dominated by a large metropolitan area: San Francisco, San Diego, and LA.


49 posted on 04/16/2018 11:02:02 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: z3n

How about they are allowed to break into 3 states, but then have to reapply to join back into the union, with one of the conditions to be to cooperate fully with the Federal government on deportations?


50 posted on 04/16/2018 11:05:01 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: z3n

That’s why what needs to happen is a two-state solution. SF, Silicon Valley, all the way down to LA should be one state, the rest of the state a completely different state. Call the urbanized area “West California” and the rest of the state “California”. West California would have 2 Dem Senators, the rest of California would probably have 2 republican Senators, maybe a 1-1 split.

The impact of the breakup for purposes of the electoral college would be immense. The fact that 55 EVs would not be “in the bag” would mean that the Dems would be shut out of the presidency for a LONG time.


51 posted on 04/16/2018 11:06:02 AM PDT by mrs9x
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To: z3n

Won’t fly unless Democrats agree to split up NY and IL to create an equal number of GOP seats.

As a practical matter, the GOP won’t just give the Democrats four new Senate seats in perpetuity.

The Fat Lady would have to sing for that to happen.


52 posted on 04/16/2018 11:09:33 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Sam Gamgee
And it looks like each new state will still be dominated by a large metropolitan area: San Francisco, San Diego, and LA.

It's a Democrat state and Democrats aren't going to do anything that gives them less power.

They aren't going to create some rural state that might vote Republican.

The point of the change won't be to separate Republicans from Democrats or conservatives from liberals, it will be to give San Francisco and Los Angeles more clout in state and federal government.

53 posted on 04/16/2018 11:12:19 AM PDT by x
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To: SeekAndFind

No, not three states; two. Make it like Michigan, which has two unconnected land masses as one state. The RAT infested LA-Hollywood area, and the RAT infested San Freaksicko north will be New California.

Saves us the horror of a probable four new RAT senators instead of just two.


54 posted on 04/16/2018 11:12:44 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: SeekAndFind
There already is an NC (North Carolina), so they can't abbreviate Northern CA to NC.

And their already is an SC (South Carolina), so they can't abbreviate Southern CA to SC.

They may have to do a West California and an East California. WC and EC.

Just thinking the obvious through to a natural conclusion.

55 posted on 04/16/2018 11:24:00 AM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: Magnum44

Look back to 1820 for the solution.

Let California split 3 ways and have 6 senators.

Just split Wyoming 3 ways at the same time.

No Missouri without Maine.


56 posted on 04/16/2018 11:25:13 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: x

There would have to be a 1:1 package deal to win GOP support.

Without it, its going to be DOA. Only the seriously deluded would think the GOP would give the Democrats more Senate seats without getting something in return.

Right now there’s nothing in it that makes Republicans want to support it.


57 posted on 04/16/2018 11:27:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Break Northern California into Northern California and Jefferson and it could be fair, creating four states with likely four Democrat Senators and four Republican Senators. Or just give the Bay Area to California instead of Northern California.

A better split would be to give the lower Bay Area to new California, and upper Bay Area to Northern California (Jefferson). The dividing line would be SF Bay. Yes, there are democrats in Marin County to the north, they can move south into the democrat new California. The eastern split of the south Bay Area that stays in Northern California would be near Vallejo along Hwy 580 or so. This would be a fair distribution, giving half the Bay and islands along with waterways to the north.

58 posted on 04/16/2018 11:39:51 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: MeganC

Ahh, thanks. We’ll need to rely on Congress then. Shudder the thought.


59 posted on 04/16/2018 11:41:19 AM PDT by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: SeekAndFind

ULTRA BLUE N Calif? Just exactly WHERE is that dividing line? The Northern counties of Calif-—away from the coast are NOT Liberal.


60 posted on 04/16/2018 11:45:34 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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