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We’re probably not going to find anything by “listening” for extraterrestrials
Hot Air.com ^ | March 17, 2018 | JAZZ SHAW

Posted on 03/17/2018 4:21:03 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
What do you mean not really. He created a lot of things and no one helped him.

I mean that you cannot infer that He created only the earth and nothing else on the basis of the statement that He created the heaven and the earth.

I might say, "I built a house and a garage," which does not prove that I didn't also build a shed.

81 posted on 03/17/2018 8:40:09 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Kaslin; All

The common assumption that there are “billions and billions” of civilizations out there was deftly skewered by the brilliant physicist Enrico Fermi, who in what has come to be known as the “Fermi Paradox,” posed the question: “If the universe is indeed permeated with intelligent life - then where is everybody?”

Point being: Given the presumed age of the Universe, a large number of supposed extraterrestrial civilizations would necessarily be vastly more developed than our own, and millions of years ago would have mastered time travel (look how far we humans have come in a half-century or so. We already have probes reaching towards Pluto - what will be possible in another century, a thousand years - yea a million years!)

That was Fermi’s “paradox” that he posed to his colleagues over lunch so many years ago. Any extraterrestrial civilization millions of years advanced beyond our own would long ago have possessed technology that we can no more grasp than a pigmy from the darkest jungle comprehending a supercomputer, a smart phone, space travel, and thousands of other aspects of life in the 21st century.

Multiply that “gulf” by a million and you can imagine perhaps how incapable we are of even conceiving of an advanced extraterrestrial civilization.

So Fermi was saying that if such extraterrestrials exist, they would have long ago visited our planet, communicated with us ( not these indistinct streaks across the night sky), and very likely have colonized us and mined the planet of any resources of value to them.

So where is everybody? Carl Sagan said as much when he wondered why these supposed “aliens” dont make their presence known by, e.g., taking over the television channels to send a.message to earthlings - or appearing before the UN General Assembly - heck, even a spectacular landing in a football stadium?

Instead, what do we get? Fleeting, indistinct, photos and film
. Lots of 1st person accounts which cannot be corroborated.

Besides Fermi there is one other idea which is called the “Dark Forest” theory, which basically posits that the Universe is a very hostile and dangerous place. The reason why any supposed intelligent civilisations do not make themselves known is out of fear, much like species in a dark jungle conceal themselves out of fear of predators.

Anyway - One prescient book that explains all this and much more is: Paranormal Conspiracy: the Truth about Ghosts, Aliens, and Mysterious Beings


82 posted on 03/17/2018 9:12:30 PM PDT by tjd1454
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To: Kaslin

Try any bar the liberal millenials haunt on weekends in the DC Metro area. Then you’ll know that there is alien life on earth. More like “Spaced Invaders” than “Space Invaders”.


83 posted on 03/17/2018 9:58:04 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: tbw2
I've been running SETI@home for several years. It's my screen saver and always running in the background.

Also have a few cryptocurrency wallets always running. I do notice a slight computing slow down since installing the later.

84 posted on 03/18/2018 1:30:29 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Make American Intelligence Great Again.)
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost
[...] the Drake Equation boils down to A = Nast * fbt, where A is the number of technological species that have ever formed over the history of the observable universe [...] Even if only one in every million stars hosts a technologically advanced species today, that would still yield a total of about 300,000 such civilizations in the whole galaxy [since it formed!].

In all of your musings, you've completely underplayed the importance of those other civilizations existing at the same time as ours if we are to be able to contact them. Possibly, advanced (e.g., space-faring) civilizations might have a life-expectancy of only, say, a thousand years. Advanced civilizations might routinely destroy themselves due to warfare, experimenting with artificial Black Holes - or they may simply become totally decadent, fail to reproduce, or turn inwards ("Virtual Reality").

Regards,

85 posted on 03/18/2018 1:53:30 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Seruzawa
The hubble looks as far and deep as it can and all it sees are endless galaxies.

Hubble is wavelength limited, not sensitivity limited. Due to the expansion of the universe, and cosmological red shift (as opposed to Doppler) the most distant galaxies are redder than Hubble's instruments can see. The new James Webb Telescope will not produce the awesome color images that Hubble did, but it will be much more sensitive and tuned to much longer wavelengths.

86 posted on 03/18/2018 5:02:47 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: Kaslin

Meanwhile, we still can’t understand the communications of Apis mellifera and their societies are right here on earth


87 posted on 03/18/2018 5:26:26 AM PDT by Thibodeaux (Long Live the Republic!)
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To: raiderboy

drivel, totally unsubstantiated drivel


88 posted on 03/18/2018 5:30:34 AM PDT by Thibodeaux (Long Live the Republic!)
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To: Kaslin

>> We’re probably not going to find anything by “listening” for extraterrestrials

Of course not. We communicate by smell. - E.T.


89 posted on 03/18/2018 5:50:00 AM PDT by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Elsie

Because there is life here.


90 posted on 03/18/2018 6:13:18 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: Kaslin
Aliens were listening to us, but they heard Hank Johnson talking about Guam flipping over, Maxine Waters talking, Nancy Pelosi talking about impeaching Trump and Hillary Clinton talking that she was cheated, and they knew there's no intelligent life on this planet... 😀
91 posted on 03/18/2018 6:35:33 AM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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To: who knows what evil?

Post of the month... +1


92 posted on 03/18/2018 6:38:02 AM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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To: Kaslin

The recently departed Dr. Hawking said a last year that we should be careful in trying to invite aliens to our planet. He said there is absolutely no reason to believe they will be friendly or try to help us.


93 posted on 03/18/2018 7:01:23 AM PDT by Lockbar (What would Vlad The Impaler do?)
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To: Kaslin

Uhura regularly picked up AM broadcasts....


94 posted on 03/18/2018 7:43:41 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Reily

#64 Astronuts Abbot & Costello found some as did others.
http://belladonna.org/Gynotopia/venusneedsmen.html


95 posted on 03/18/2018 8:38:24 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Thibodeaux

i agree. the Drivel of ET is 100% unsubstantiated.


96 posted on 03/18/2018 11:01:17 AM PDT by raiderboy ( "...if we have to close down our government, weÂ’re building that wall" DJT)
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To: raiderboy

Most active and retired astronauts disagree.


97 posted on 03/18/2018 11:03:21 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: alexander_busek

“you’ve completely underplayed the importance of those other civilizations existing at the same time as ours if we are to be able to contact them. Possibly, advanced (e.g., space-faring) civilizations might have a life-expectancy of only, say, a thousand years. Advanced civilizations might routinely destroy themselves due to warfare, experimenting with artificial Black Holes - or they may simply become totally decadent, fail to reproduce, or turn inwards (”Virtual Reality”).”

Extremely important point. Intelligent life elsewhere may be content in their habitat and not care to communicate or use methods we cannot detect. Some alien civilizations may have not ever developed radio as a means of communications.


98 posted on 03/18/2018 11:24:42 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: rdb3
... but we know that they're there.

Sure we do...

99 posted on 03/18/2018 12:35:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

But we say “we are smart” for what, 8-9 thousand centuries now?


100 posted on 03/18/2018 12:36:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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