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To: Mr. K

I’m okay with it but as I said above I wish he had just commuted it.

To me a pardon suggests that nothing wrong was done. Am I looking at that wrong?


8 posted on 03/09/2018 11:55:06 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: xzins

I thought given the context of it, they could clearly see he wasn’t engaged in anything fishy (IIRC) so I thought at worst it should have been Captain’s Mast, handled on station.

They could have busted him in grade, or done something else. I just thought it was sick and unjust to send him to jail for that.

Just my opinion.


13 posted on 03/09/2018 11:58:14 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette)
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To: xzins

Yes. You’re way out of phase on this Chaplain. In a rational world, this kid would have had at worst a General Discharge. The pictures themselves were harmless and nothing that anyone couldn’t have gotten out of Janes All the Worlds Ships. This was Obama and Co.being the complete jerks that they are. Trump does stuff like this to highlight the hypocrisy of scum like Hillary and the rest of the traitors running throughout the government. I’m assuming in your vocation of being a chaplain you tend to see the world in terms of right/wrong (I don’t mean this sarcastically or intend any offense). The world is a lot more grey and this was really the equivalent of a teenager shoplifting. You don’t ruin the kid for that just as you don’t ruin this sailor for what he did. No intent there, actually just pride that he was on a nuke sub.


19 posted on 03/09/2018 12:01:46 PM PST by usafa92 (Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States)
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To: xzins

A pardon is a tacit admission of guilt. But what it does is wipe his record clean so that he would no longer be a felon. A commutation would just end his sentence and not wipe away the status of a felon.

This guy is not a threat to anyone, and by all accounts was a good sailor.

This is the best, most compassionate thing that Trump could do for this man’s family.


38 posted on 03/09/2018 12:16:39 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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To: xzins

Yes, you are looking at it incorrectly. He served a year in prison and his life ruined due to the felony conviction for a very minor transgression.

A pardon was called for from the perspective of mercy and equality under the law, laughable as that idea may be these days. A pardon isn’t expungement; he’ll still have a record.


46 posted on 03/09/2018 12:23:25 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Hope and redemption are to be found in the Lord. Not in politics.)
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To: xzins

I interpret this pardon as official forgiveness. All indications are that this sailor was careless and stupid, not malicious. He should not have faced prison time, just lost his clearance, and separated from the Navy.

I wish him well, in a life without access to classified information.


47 posted on 03/09/2018 12:24:57 PM PST by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.")
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To: xzins

To accept a pardon, you also acknowledge your guilt.


58 posted on 03/09/2018 12:38:10 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: xzins
To me a pardon suggests that nothing wrong was done. Am I looking at that wrong?

Yes.

He didn't intend to break national security laws, so he shouldn't have been prosecuted in the first place. </sarcasm>

IOW, we're either a nation of laws that applies equally to all or we aren't. Until HRC and her ilk are prosecuted and jailed for breaking national security laws, then this sailor has no business being in prison.

Apply the laws equally or not at all.

76 posted on 03/09/2018 12:59:14 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: xzins

Its a good outcome.

He served the full sentence.

The pardon means he can get better jobs than a garbage guy now, which was the only job he could get. Or do you feel his violation should exclude him from normal jobs other than the lowest possible ones ge can get, forever.


78 posted on 03/09/2018 1:00:02 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: xzins

>>To me a pardon suggests that nothing wrong was done. Am I looking at that wrong?<<

Depends. But I have read somewhere that, based on the totality of the evidence concerning his unlawful act, his sentence was thought by some to have been too harsh.


100 posted on 03/09/2018 3:17:08 PM PST by fortes fortuna juvat ( Who are the idiots who elected this dreadful Pope? They need to unelect him. He is a disgrace.)
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To: xzins

with a pardon he can vote again


124 posted on 03/11/2018 6:56:50 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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