Posted on 03/09/2018 4:45:09 AM PST by reaganaut1
Your daily bull$hit again.
We have enough of the folks who can’t stand the thought of winning who agree with all these “Armageddon” assessments concern-trolling FR these days.....
I expect them to reopen. Perhaps SOME tech advances, but the making of steel & similar products is pretty basic & has been developed for a very long time.
Also- Tearing down buildings, getting permits for new ones, and going thru the rebuilding process would take years. Trump wants these companies back into production ASAP, and those workers feel the same.
Put everyone into the ‘permit process’ & watch it all grind to a halt.
NeverTrumpers gotta NeverTrump.
America MUST have a steel industry.
It’s a national security issue.
Not about to waste time reading the article, only to say that if Trump’s tariffs will make America rusty again, what made it rusty WITHOUT the tariffs in the first place. Could it be all the factories that left for overseas chasing low wage workers and importation of product back into the United States tariff free?
In my late teens back in the early 70’s my dad gave me an old wrecker tow truck and told me to earn my wages. But many years before i literally grew up in a junkyard removing parts and scrap metal from old cars like brass radiators, the copper wiring, the lead in the batteries and the pot metal trim, back then baling scrap or car bodies brought $20 a ton.
The average junk car was from the 50’s and 60’s, very heavy cars, no plastic much in them.
I cruised many a neighborhood looking for a junker, most i picked up for free just because the owner did not want to pay to have it hauled off.
So here i am, 17 or so, i usually find two cars a day, they average 2,700 pounds unless you get a Lincoln or a Caddy and they were at least 3,200 pounds. So at a penny a pound i could get $50 to $60 a day just for the car body’s, then i always pulled the better scrap parts off, sometimes there were good parts like a decent engine but usually i stripped them of the brass, copper and lead.
It was a simple process taking them to the mill, one popular one was near Fremont Ca, Niles as we called it, many a black or mexican person did what i did, we mostly had an old towtruck, we brought it in on two wheels, it was all weighed and we got into line, while waiting someone would inspect to see if the fuel tank was empty, punctured or removed or if it wasn’t loaded with garbage or even rocks.
I would remove all but one lug nut each side, then i would pull up under the claw, i dropped it from the wrecker and removed the last lug nuts, when the claw or magnet on the crane hoisted it the tires fell off and i tossed them into the bed of the truck. At that place they had what looked like a car wash but instead of water they used fire and burnt anything like plastics or upholstery, when it came out often a worker in gear would pull wads of burnt wiring out and put it in barrels. No EPA back then.
Then i would head back to the scales, got weighed again and took my ticket to the payout office and got cash on the spot.
Average week i could easily make $200 and sometimes much more.
And this was when you only got 65 cents an hour wage, gas was 35 to 50 cents a gallon. And believe it or not in the Bay Area of California.
Some years later when too many stolen cars were being brought in and the mood changed about clean air it all came to a screeching halt. You still can haul in scrap metals last i heard as the prices went up for everything but you gotta have permits and license to do anything. And of course car bodies are nothing like they used to be.
But i made good money at it, it was dirty work, but i had fun doing it. To this day i still seperate my scrap steal, brass and copper which i have hundreds of pounds of to use in a future casting forge i want to build. And for artwork.
In summary i can say this, i can spot a mile away brass or even steel from china, i swear they deliberately made it a much poorer grade, porous, casting flaws, brittle.
I’m glad we can issue that fact and just get more steal mills running again in America making better steal.
Shame a person cannot edit after its been posted, i meant steel of course!
Yes, the price of aluminum will go up for the breweries, but just how much of that actually impacts the final price of a can of beer or a draft beer? A nickel, a dollar? More or less? I really don't know.
If it just adds pennies per drink (or less), I can't see how it would change drinking habits.
The math from these folks is all screwy anyway. The added cost of metal is only whatever it costs once you take away the China market, but you already have competition from the Canadian and Mexican markets, as well as within the US. Also, the big manufacturers have already nailed down their prices in the near term via fixed futures contracts anyway, so there will be plenty of time to adjust. There will be a price increase in steel and aluminum, but not nearly as dire as this article implies.
We can find quality steel, but not at quality prices.
So that makes you too dense to understand economics and bottom lines.
Are you buying or selling? And is a “quality” price high, low or the same?
Remember, currently 70% of the steel used in this country is produced here. Is there a law preventing you from buying steel produced in the US from American ore? And if not are you complaining that the price is too high? If that is the case you will end up paying more as long as these tariffs remain.
You make no sense. Talk about economic illiteracy.
Understood. My point is that we hear a lot of talk about the implications of this tariff on the steel industry in the Rust Belt, but a lot of those production facilities are antiquated and probably would have closed years ago even without any foreign competition. I believe the largest steel mill in the U.S. today is the former ThyssenKrupp plant in Alabama now operated as a joint venture between ArcelorMittal and Nippon Steel.
“Here’s a simple, ‘real-life’ impact of the tariffs,” a friend on the West Coast tells me. His metal-products company serves the aircraft and aerospace industries, among others. “In late January, we bid on a job, but didn’t get the purchase order until the end of February. Now we are ordering the raw material to fabricate the parts, and the price increases have killed our profits.”
Anecdotal evidence is always true in every case and so we must base National policy on it /s
NATIONAL REVIEW is LIBERAL LEFT. End of discussion
I am so tired of the neocon BS.
I have no problem with “free” trade, but when foreign nations subsidize their industries to ensure employment and then dump their products in our markets for less then they cost to manufacture, THAT’S NOT FREE TRADE!
You wish to have 2 nations with fairly comparable labor and environmental laws decide to trade freely, that’s okay, when you say, hey mr authoritarian central planning economy who instead of national welfare subsidizes employment by overproducing without care to keep its folks employed, has little to no environmental protections, or worker protections and then say, sure just dump the stuff here for less than it costs to even manufacture... THAT’S NOT FREE TRADE.
We’ve had 40 years of the neocon free trade BS extracting Americas wealth, we know it doesn’t work.
The SINGLE biggest producer of jobs is MANUFACTURING, PERIOD!!
For every manufacturing job that exists, 2.6 additional jobs are created.. nothing, nothing creates as much wealth and jobs as manufacturing.
Service industry jobs create something like 1.2 jobs for every job created.
The belief that brewery’s will lay off 20,000 people because they have to pay .022 cents per can vs .02 cents per can is stupid.
That’s literally the raw cost addition to manufacture an aluminum can... And actually its less than that. But 2 tenths of a cent more for a can is going to decimate the beer industry, then the beer industry would not exist.
Doesn’t pass the smell test. What you are looking at is the raw cost of a 24 can case would go up less than a nickel.
Manufacturing employment in the U.S. peaked in 1979. By any objective measure -- political, economic, social, etc. -- that year was the LOWEST point in the post-WW2 period of American history.
Of course it was, they have been systematically through, regulation, tax, and trade policy been extracting US’s wealth and manufacturing for the last 4 decades. Its not going to turn around overnight, but this “tarriffs” are the worst thing in the world nonsense is just that, NONSENSE.
Who loses in a trade war with the US?? We have the largest economy and the largest consumer economy on the planet! Seriously, who’s hurt more... That the US can’t import a car into Sri Lanka? Or that Sri Lanka can’t import a cheap good into the US?
Folks just don’t get how much, even now of a powerhouse the US economy is, and if it was managed sanely would be that much more.
To put it in perspective, the UK is the second largest economy in all of Europe.... care to guess what its GDP per Capita is?????
Its less than ALABAMA’S! That’s right, Alabama, hardly an economic powerhouse, but if it were its own country, its GDP per capita would be more than the UKs!!!!
FUD sells.
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