Posted on 03/02/2018 6:04:37 AM PST by Az Joe
Five states — California, Connecticut, Indiana, Washington and Oregon — have enacted “red-flag” laws that empower relatives and close friends, as well as law enforcement officers, to ask judges to issue “gun violence restraining orders.”
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Of course, there must be quick due process ability for an individual to challenge this kind of law as there is with restraining orders. Yes, it will be enforced wrongly & abused on occasion as all laws are. But I believe that a certain due process mechanism and steps can be set in place to safeguard against this in nearly all cases.
Welp, you’re a hell of a lot more trusting than I am.
Because criminals and nuts are famous for obeying pieces of paper handed to them by a process server....
The physical appearance of our local schools have also been addressed. We have new entrances with real security! Also have employed school guards. Indiana has gotten serious about school security and domestic security. THe gun issue is a very small part of the plan.
I know, I have the same fears as you. I believe it will pass constitutional muster.
There are mush more restrictive laws on the books right now in every state that allow the “authorities” to take a person into custody for 48-72 hours for mental evaluation IF it is determined that they are an “imminent” threat to themselves and/or others.
Also, people may be taken and quarantined indefinitely IF it is determined they have a dangerous, communicable disease.
What are you talking about?
PS Outschool was one of the first Our assistant principal was murdered by a student thirty+ years ago in school parking lot. (Left widow with five children to raise). We immediately had two male teachers volunteer to carry on school grounds. That arrangement continued until their retirement. We all felt safer knowing the guns were seconds not minutes away.
There is no such “red-flag” law in FL and relatives did try to use other processes to make law enforcement aware of the threat, only to be dismissed. I have my doubts about the enforcement priority of such restraining orders in the course of an LEO’s day, even with a law. And, as already pointed out, there are plenty of abused wives who can relate the uselessness of spousal restraining orders.
We are headed the wrong direction folks.
We are dividing up, socialist dupes vs American's.
Sounds very good. There are a lot of options:
1. Less wall to wall media mass shooting pornography for ratings.
2. Hardening the targets. Fences, walls, gates, cameras, armed personnel.
3. Competent law enforcement, wiht specialized training and units to address mass shootings, both before and during the assault.
4. “Red Flag” laws.
5. Potential victim training. Fight back, escape plans, etc.
This will empower disgruntled neighbors & angry ex’s & anyone who doesn’t like your owning guns.
Don’t forget the KGB & Stasi had five informants for every agent. WILLING informants.
Watch for liberal states to bring back snitch hotlines (”report an illegal gun in your neighborhood and you don’t have to give your name!”).
Trump is trying to walk back what he said that gave Dianne Feinstein the warm fuzzies and he is now saying to the NRA “Oh ye of little faith!” but,
The goose is cooked, the jig is up, the fat is in the fire, and the cat is out of the bag.
Things are different now (Red Dawn).
This is insane. Anyone can curtail anyone else’s rights because they “think” someone might be violent?
You’re either a liar or completely ignorant of constitutional law in this area.
There are mush more restrictive laws on the books right now in every state that allow the “authorities” to take a person into custody for 48-72 hours for mental evaluation IF it is determined that they are an “imminent” threat to themselves and/or others.
Also, people may be taken and quarantined indefinitely IF it is determined they have a dangerous, communicable disease.
Which is it? Liar or ignoramus?
Shortly after my (then) wife ran off with another guy, she called 911 and stated that I was going to kill myself. Police showed up and gave me a choice.....I was going to a psych center.....voluntarily or involuntarily. Taking my security clearance in mind (I work for the Navy), I went voluntarily.
One week later when being discharged, I found that she had drained half of my savings.
And?
There are mush more restrictive laws on the books right now in every state that allow the “authorities” to take a person into custody for 48-72 hours for mental evaluation IF it is determined that they are an “imminent” threat to themselves and/or others.
Also, people may be taken and quarantined indefinitely IF it is determined they have a dangerous, communicable disease.
Grow up
...Welp, you’re a hell of a lot more trusting than I am...
If there is no actual evidence of threats or danger supported by actual evidence and not just hearsay, the door for abuse is open wide. Particularly in divorce cases, where it can be used as an offensive weapon.
It’s an entirely different issue when threats can actually be corroborated by actual evidence. Evidence such as visible erratic behavior, psychiatric and psychological reports, police reports, public threats, internet postings, writings, videos and similar communications.
There is still possible and probable abuse regardless.
What are you talking about?
I was saying the ones you have to worry about, the criminals and nuts, are just going to ignore these "red flag" orders anyway.
You don't honestly think the police are going to go around with a huge swat team and do a top to bottom raid of every residence with one of these orders (they don't have anywhere near the manpower or resources for that)? It will be some overworked process server who delivers the "red flag" court order and tells them they must immediately turn over any guns they own. And the response will be, "Oh, I don't own any. I just sold them. They fell off the boat." At the point, without any other evidence they are lying, the process server will walk away...
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