Posted on 02/15/2018 10:00:03 PM PST by Texas Fossil
Moments ago FISA Court Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer responded to the requests from the House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes and House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte. (full pdf’s below – #1 and #2)
There are nuances in each response specific to the statutory roles of each Chairman and the specific requests made by each committee. Reflected in Judge Collyer’s responses is a need for careful consideration of each unique request.
♦House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes holds primary oversight authority over the aggregate Intelligence Community (IC). Chairman Nunes has requested the transcripts from the FISA Court during the DOJ/FBI Title-1 surveillance application over their target, U.S. person Carter Page.
♦House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte holds primary oversight authority over the Department of Justice -including the FISA court- and has requested the actual FISA Title-1 application as submitted by the DOJ/FBI for surveillance of Carter Page.
Judge Collyer responds to both legislative branch chairman from the position of “never previously receiving such requests.” There are separation of power challenges, but also an understanding inherent in the response to Chairman Goodlatte of the unique statutory oversight his committee holds.
(Excerpt) Read more at theconservativetreehouse.com ...
The conversation went something like this:
‘So the FBI and interested parties(Hillary and Obama) want a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign?
Where do I sign and what took you guys so long?’
That will be hard to dance around.
They don’t have a court reporter. hahaha
double secret star chamber court.
held in a black hole. Not even light escapes.
Headshake.
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It seems to me that if this court falls under the Executive Branch, then the head of the Executive Branch (the President) could simply tell these folks to stop screwing around and answer the letters.
I don’t see what’s so hard about this. Is this Judge attempting to suborn perjury? Does she want to hear the famous words - you’re fired? Better still, your Honor - there’s a Marshall here with an arrest warrant with your name on it.
“Rosemary Collyer”
ROSEMARY? Like someone with that name would ever lift a finger for our side. I think we’re closing in on the problem now.
>>he is actively trying to obstruct the work of the Nunes committee. It’s as if the DOJ was still operating under Loretta Lynch. Sessions kept all the Obama people in place.
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Trojan Horse, or, he is carrying on his own secret investigations, and doesn’t want to spill the beans before he’s ready. Honestly, who knows, at this point.
Lawyer speak for, “go tell Trump to ask for the info”... Then the media can have something to blab about...
I read the judges letter.... It’s utter nonsense. Lawyer garboly gook! Fxxk I learned in 8th grade about the three branches of government.... They were set up that way for checks and balances of power....
I have feathers....
Who has ta R?
Sen. Frank Church (D-Iowa or Idaho) didn’t really give much of a damn about “privacy”. It was more a second thought as he tried to destroy US internal and foreign security operations.
While the FBI did some possibly illegal or extralegal operations against both foreign and domestic enemies (esp. the various communist and black extremist armed movements), Church wanted to destroy their powers and their files.
Re the wiretaps on Dr. King. They were legitimate. He was a “captive” of a KGB sandwich operation in that his key advisor, financial helper, etc. was not only a secret member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), but also later admitted to being a KGB bagman for money from the Soviet Union to be used to fund the CPUSA (this is absolutely illegal). The man was attorney Stanley Levison, who gave Executive Session testify before the Church Committee, information that was very hard to get out to the public.
King’s second CPUSA/probable KGB asset was his personal secretary/administrative assistant Hunter Pitts O’Dell (Jack O’Dell to the Movement). He was also a key figure in King’s SCLC (Southern Christian Leadership Conference), along with Rev. Abernathy, Bevel, Young, Shuttlesworth, and Walker (some of whom were either former CPUSA members or significantly affiliated with CPUSA fronts).
King was under electronic surveillance because the two KGB/CPUSA operatives literally controlled his activities and the direction of SCLC, and Levison wrote King’s infamous April 1967 anti-Vietnam speech, which showed just how much control this KGB/CPer had over him.
Also, King was in a position to be blackmailed (and might have been) for some of his non-political actions. Let’s leave it at that.
Sen. Church had to be strongly persuaded NOT TO REVEAL the FBI’s top intelligence operation against the Soviets. He actually wanted to but extreme pressure was put on him not to do so.
IF he had exposed Operation Solo, he would have gotten America’s top undercover agent in the Kremlin killed. Period.
Church was a damned traitor. He didn’t need to be a communist. He did their work for them as he was, including the freedom-killing Cooper-Church aid amendment on Vietnam.
I saw this SOB shortly before he died. He looked like shit and deserved what happened to him. Just because you wear a suit and tie and are elected to Congress doesn’t mean that you are good for America and freedom.
Frank Church was living proof of that. Millions died in SE Asia and tens of millions of people, some of who I knew, lost their freedom forever thanks to his actions.
I hope he rots in Hell along with Tom Hayden, eventually Jane Fonda, Don Luce, Fred Branfman, Cora Weiss, Dave Dellinger, and the rest of the commie traitors.
Welcome to the real world, folks. Sometimes it really sucks.
For those of us who have been in the efforts to stop the reds and their stooges/dupes and sympathizers, our job is often just to make the world a little less sucky.
Means this. FISA court is done. All the judges are going to jail, as are a LOT of other people. Glad I didn’t pursue a FBI DOJ or CIA career. A lot of people are going to the pokey. When I say a lot, more than 80%. FBI agent in central Indiana has her butt puckered. She is a friend of my parents but from all indications she is looking to run. Woman is petrified. She is/was a bug placer on stuff they couldn’t get through the NSA.
There seems to me an easy solution to the problem of separation of powers alluded to by the judge. Both Nunes and Grassley could provide the court with a copy of the FISA 702 submission they have been given by the Justice Department and Judge Collyer could advise both the House and Senate Judiciary Committee if there are any material differences between the original filing and the copy provided by Justice.
It seems to me that if Congress would take the first step by sharing their information with the judicial branch .... then it would be difficult for the judicial branch to maintain they were setting any precedent by sharing their findings on the matter with Congress.
Any legal beagles around here?
To add to my above comments, it seems to me that since the Constitution establishes a tricameral government, expressly for the purpose of providing checks and balances, the Court could satisfy its duty to that end either by providing information through direct testimony upon request by Congress or by compliance with a subpoena issued by Congress.
While some constitutional Scholars maintain that Congress does not have the authority to subpoena members of the judicial branch, here is the law as it relates to the matter;
“According to Article 3, Congress has the plenary authority to cause every Federal court in the country with the exception of the Supreme Court to cease to exist. Further, as declared in Article 3, with the exception of a narrow class of cases, Federal courts would have no jurisdiction to hear most cases absent express authorization from Congress.”
In other words, lower courts serve at the pleasure of, or privilege provided by, Congress. Since only the Supreme Court is expressly removed from Congressional oversight, it seems members of the FISA court would have no choice but to comply.
Any intelligent lawyer never asks a question before the court that they don’t
already know the answer to.
The judge is clearly pointing to the DOJ and telling Nunes to subpoena the documents from them.
We already know that Rosenstein will produce documents under the threat of being held in contempt. Seems like an easy solution.
Star Chamber indeed.
The courts have wrecked the 4th Amendment. While cops generally can’t search your car without your permission, the government has open access, a cutout in the 4A, to search your financials and medical records.
FISA, as in FOREIGN, is another cutout in the 4th Amendment. Instead of obtaining a warrant in open court to search for a particular item in a particular place, it is secret and designed to surveil Americans in the employ of foreign governments, i.e. traitors to America.
Instead of framing this as a self-serving separation of powers issue, the FISA judge should be outraged that officers of the court lied to her. She should begin with tossing every signatory to the FISA applications in jail for contempt of court.
We are at the precipice of a surveillance/police state.
Star Chamber indeed.
Yep. Those charged with protecting 1.) the Law of the Land and 2.) the nation from foreign assault, corrupted their authority and turned their powers inward on their bosses, the sovereign people.
There are no greater crimes in a republic.
bttt
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that a FISA Court judge writes like a 9th grader.
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