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Trump to Democrats: Re-do Your Memo in Proper Form
townhall.com ^ | 2/10/2018 | Timothy Meads

Posted on 02/10/2018 9:18:36 PM PST by catnipman

President Trump's tweet today indicates that he may release the Democratic memo, but only once the authors of the document make the suggested changes. Trump alleges that the Democrats "would have blamed the White House for lack of transparency" had he decided to release a redacted memo.

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: adamschiff; california; carterpage; christophersteele; democrats; devinnunes; espionage; fisa; memo; redo; releasethememo; rodrosenstein; schiffforbrains; steeledossier; trump
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To: chaosagent

No, I think Trump did it right. They simply would say, “It was all still secret until you released it unredacted. YOU spilled the beans!”

The way Trump handled it, any genuine secrets are still genuine secrets; the Donkey’s “yeah, but…” memo stays with the committee; the process for releasing it starts over; and the Donkeys have to expend more effort on getting it out. And if they leak it, Trump gets them on that and shows everyone how Donkeys treat important secrets like political footballs.


41 posted on 02/11/2018 9:22:40 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: adorno
They won't be able to sit on the memo as it is, and Trump has already rejected it and sent it back. The ball is on their court now

And they'll sit on the ball. They will say that they tried to release the facts and the President refused to allow it. So they'll claim that Trump is trying to keep the truth from the American people.

It's questionable whether they wanted the memo released to begin with.

42 posted on 02/11/2018 10:05:25 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: catnipman
isn’t it the truth ... same here ... however, great minds and all of that ... Trump doesn’t need us so far ... he’s handling things pretty much the way we’d advise him to handle them ...

Actually, Trump and his administration, do need us. I believe that they're keeping up with what conservatives are thinking and saying and doing. I'm pretty sure that they take good ideas from the internet to revise and issue policy. I'm under the impression that FR and other conservative sites have been influential with helping government direction. Same with the left-wing media sites, unfortunately.
43 posted on 02/11/2018 10:13:41 AM PST by adorno
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To: Bigtigermike; HarleyLady27; Albion Wilde; V K Lee; DoughtyOne; Liz; Bobalu; TigerClaws; ...
Hey Bigtigermike and FRiends, I've been meaning to post something on Captain Ahab. Check this out.

As I thought about my 9 years in the Navy working under various ship skippers, I've tried here to figure out the key virtues.

And I very much had Trump in mind as the ideal skipper. See what you think.. MAGA.


44 posted on 02/11/2018 10:26:39 AM PST by poconopundit (MAGA... Get the Spirit. Grow your community. Focus on your Life's Work. Empower the Young.)
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To: poconopundit

Maybe he isnt consciously aware of it......but Trump demonstrates the character of a Faithful Christian.

He keeps the course regardless of the storm......regardless of the critics.....regardless of the heat.

Perseverance seem to be his motto.


45 posted on 02/11/2018 11:08:48 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 Trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Thanks catnipman.

46 posted on 02/11/2018 12:01:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: catnipman

This re-writing of the memo in proper form must irk English Composition teachers, and thus the teacher’s unions.


47 posted on 02/11/2018 12:20:48 PM PST by C210N (Republicans sign check fronts; 'Rats sign check backs.)
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To: xzins

My suggestion would be to have Schiffless, Schmuck Schumer, San Fran Nan, Director of FBI and Director of National Security in the Oval Office, live in front of national news media.
Hand them the original Dem Memo and a black magic marker each.
Tell them on national television that you want to release the memo, but they will have to perform the redactions themselves live in front of the nation to insure FAIRNESS and insure National Security.
Let the party begin.


48 posted on 02/11/2018 1:31:30 PM PST by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: 5th MEB

Or dare them to hand it to NBC and arrest them for violating national security


49 posted on 02/11/2018 1:48:12 PM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: adorno

“Actually, Trump and his administration, do need us. I believe that they’re keeping up with what conservatives are thinking and saying and doing. I’m pretty sure that they take good ideas from the internet to revise and issue policy. I’m under the impression that FR and other conservative sites have been influential with helping government direction.”

I agree. It really does seem that way, especially the “revise” part. We’ll see an initial proposed policy or trial balloon, and in a day or two, there are revisions that bring things more in alignment with the majority of commentary here.

One recent example was when Trump originally announced he wasn’t going to release the Dem memo. I posted here that was a bad move because the Dems could then claim a coverup, non-transparency, unfairness as well as whatever they wanted to pretend was actually in the memo. I suggested Trump redact the classified parts and release it. The next day, Trump went one better and said he WOULD release the memo if the Dems THEMSELVES fixed the problems!

I’ve also DEFINITELY seen Hannity, et. al. repeat themes and even phrases here word for word, especially before the 2016 election. Now of course the FNC conservatives have more red meat than they know what to do with.

It really does seem like influential people are listening to us. It’s one reason I take care to frequently express lengthy opinions and not JUST one-liners that so many post here.


50 posted on 02/11/2018 1:57:20 PM PST by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: catnipman
I’ve also DEFINITELY seen Hannity, et. al. repeat themes and even phrases here word for word

Rush does the same. I realize Rush and other talk-show conservatives don't have the time to "catch up with us", but they do have other staff to help them gather other views and opinions from all over the internet, especially from sites such as FR.
51 posted on 02/11/2018 4:42:26 PM PST by adorno
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To: catnipman
Below is a un-redacted copy of Shiffless' FISA Memo:!


52 posted on 02/12/2018 9:06:52 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive of 64+ million Trump Deplorables. You will lose!)
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To: Liz; HarleyLady27; V K Lee; Albion Wilde; DoughtyOne
He keeps the course regardless of the storm......regardless of the critics.....regardless of the heat.

Good observation, Liz. He's some more perspective.

Sonnet 116

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove.
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wand'ring bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.

Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come;
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me prov'd,
I never writ, nor no man ever lov'd.

Shakespeare makes several allusions to seamanship in his writings. This is certainly one of his most memmorable:

I did a wikipedia check and learned the sextant had not been invented by Shakespeare's time (1564-1616) however a cruder instrument, the backstaff was invented by English navigator John Davis.

We can assume that Shakespeare read John Davis' book, Seaman's Secrets, published in 1594. In fact, Sonnet 116 was published in 1609.

The navigator aboard a bark (clipper ship) uses both the sextant (or backstaff) to measure the height (angle) of celestial objects above the horizon -- and from that he determines the ship's location at sea.

Now latitude can be very accurately determined by measuring the height of the Sun at exactly high noon. An accurate time instrument is absolutely essential for other kinds of celestial observations, although as long as you know the daily error rate of the timepiece, you are OK.

It's longitude that is the hardest thing to get right and it stumped navigators for centuries.

Essential to navigating precisely is scientific study of the heavenly bodies which is printed in tables within a Nautical Almanac (beginning in 1767 in England) which predicts very nicely the location of the brightest stars, the moon and Sun by date and time.

And so in my time in the Navy (1974-1983) before GPS, we used the Almanac to calculate our position. Navigation was usually done two times a day -- sunrise and sunset. Why? Other than the noon sun fix, the brightest stars are only seen at that time. At night, the horizon is too indistinct to make an accurate reading.

When I was stationed ashore in Hawaii, I actually went out and spent (wasted) my money on buying a sextant of my own.

But my appreciation for the instrument increased after owning it and now I own a relic of my days on the sea.

And I learned a Mnemonic saying: "Captain! All de Rigging Seems Properly Polished" which allowed you remember the stars that can be seen in a clockwise rotation around Orion from the top: Capella, Aldebaran, Rigel, Sirius, Procyon, and Pollux -- the stars that are bright enough at sunset to be seen clearly.

My moment of pride was using the sextant aboard a Navy ship on the way home from a West Pac deployment.

The quartermaster recorded my readings as I quickly discovered the stars (which most navigators could not find on their own). Besides, that night was partly cloudy.

But returning to the chart room, they found that I made some very good readings and three arcs of position crossed each other on the chart in a very tight triangle. Ha!

So thank you, Liz, for allowing Time's Fool to remember his days wandering aboard an eastward sailing bark.

Here are some midshipmen enjoying the pleasure...


53 posted on 02/12/2018 6:05:41 PM PST by poconopundit (MAGA... Get the Spirit. Grow your community. Focus on your Life's Work. Empower the Young.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Excellent Dave. Especially the first one!


54 posted on 02/12/2018 6:07:46 PM PST by poconopundit (MAGA... Get the Spirit. Grow your community. Focus on your Life's Work. Empower the Young.)
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To: poconopundit
I remember the first time that I actually used a sextant in training. It was on my Youngster Cruise in 1973 out of Norfolk. We were about four days into the Atlantic when it became my turn to make the shoot.

My best recollection is that my fix placed us somewhere just outside of Akron ...

55 posted on 02/12/2018 6:10:11 PM PST by BlueLancer (Black Rifle Coffee - Freedom, guns, tits, bacon, and booze!)
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To: poconopundit
Thanks for the write-up and photos. Back in college (1983)in surveying (engineering) class we had to plot positions using solar positions. There was some calculation that had to be made out to a ridiculous number of significant figures - and it involved some trick using the old HP calculators at the time that could only get you to 11(?) sig figs and we needed 24. I thought it pretty amazing to do all the various calculations and still be so close to where we actually were.
56 posted on 02/12/2018 6:15:25 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve; BlueLancer

I agree, the end result is somewhat magical. But once you get the hang of shooting the stars, it’s a rather simple task.

The magic comes from accurately measuring the movements of the stars and giving a hat tip to Galileo.


57 posted on 02/13/2018 1:59:05 AM PST by poconopundit (MAGA... Get the Spirit. Grow your community. Focus on your Life's Work. Empower the Young.)
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To: catnipman

I REALLY wish people would pay attention:

THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT RELEASE THE MEMO! The committee releases the memo, after Trump has gone through it and suggested changes.

Put the heat where it belongs-on the heads of the Dmorons who wrote it with every intention of spinning it this way.


58 posted on 02/13/2018 5:34:21 PM PST by blu (If you don't read the story at the link, don't comment. (Except for Laz...))
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