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The Rise of Untraceable "Ghost Guns"
WSJ via MSN ^ | 1/7/2018 | Zusha Elinson

Posted on 01/07/2018 9:41:41 AM PST by T-Bird45

Axel Galvez had a deal: $7,500 for five untraceable semiautomatic rifles. And he had a buyer: a felon who planned to ship them overseas. Now, he just needed weapons that would be invisible to regulators.

To avoid background checks, Mr. Galvez bought rifle parts, then assembled the five guns at the Los Angeles machine shop where he worked. He offered to build his buyer 100 more for $130,000.

An underground gun-making industry that enables criminals to elude background checks and bypass gun regulations is creating a growing trade of “ghost guns,” weapons that can’t be traced by police, authorities say.

Mr. Galvez’s buyer turned out to be a government informant; the 36-year-old machinist pleaded guilty in November to unlawful firearms manufacturing and dealing, according to court documents.

Ghost guns have been in the spotlight since a Northern California man, who was prohibited from possessing firearms because of a restraining order, killed five people in a November rampage using semiautomatic rifles that he made himself, police say. Other gunmen have employed the weapons as well. In 2016, a Baltimore man fired at police with a homemade AR-15, and Santa Monica shooter John Zawahri used a ghost gun in his shooting spree that killed five in 2013.

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CA snowflake meltdown warning about an overblown choice made by people who want a hands-on experience in customizing their firearm.
1 posted on 01/07/2018 9:41:41 AM PST by T-Bird45
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To: T-Bird45

This is likely yet another case where incompetent federal agents (who apparently are incapable of detecting actual crimes extant in the community and arresting the perps) find some poor sucker who they can convince to commit a crime and then arrest the poor sap for committing said crime.


2 posted on 01/07/2018 9:50:40 AM PST by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY)
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To: T-Bird45

It is now legal to build your own rifle.
They want that changed.
This is the propaganda to get that accomplished.


3 posted on 01/07/2018 9:51:50 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents-Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: T-Bird45

The key here is “criminals.

Gun control only hurts law-abiding gun owners who follow the law, infringing on their God given Constitutional right to keep and bear guns and related weapons.

Gun control laws don’t work because criminals will always find a way to work around or bypass them. Only a moron would think gun control actually results in delaying or denying guns to criminals. You have to be wilfuly ignorant to believe that.

This article is just further proof that criminals disobey laws and gun control only impacts the honest and law-abiding.


4 posted on 01/07/2018 9:53:51 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world yet loses his soul?)
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To: House Atreides

Mr. Galvez’s buyer turned out to be a government informant;
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You are correct. This was the ATF finding someone to make an example of.
He only saw the money and did not think.


5 posted on 01/07/2018 9:53:57 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents-Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: T-Bird45

There is only one legitimate reason to have an SN# on a firearm and that is so you can report a stolen gun in hopes it will be recovered. I can’t think of another good reason.


6 posted on 01/07/2018 9:58:49 AM PST by umgud
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To: House Atreides

“find some poor sucker who they can convince to commit a crime and then arrest the poor sap for committing said crime.”

Ruby Ridge rides again. Hope Lon Horiuchi stays away.


7 posted on 01/07/2018 9:58:53 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

I started reading this and thought it was about Leland Yee, the California State senator and gun control advocate who had a sideline business of selling guns.


8 posted on 01/07/2018 9:59:18 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Wisdom and education are different things. Don't confuse them.)
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To: T-Bird45

There have been ghost guns since there were guns


9 posted on 01/07/2018 10:01:55 AM PST by mylife ( The roar of the masses could be farts)
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Considering the present technology in machine shops today, they’re wanting to regulate a cat that’s already out of the bag. Once partial receivers are regulated effectively out of existence (who wants to pay transfer taxes and waiting periods on parts?) what’s to stop someone from just making receivers using a CNC machine?

And in the case of the shooter in the county north of me, neighbors had been trying to get deputies and prosecutors to do something about the guy for months. This wasn’t a surprise event to them, it was expected.


10 posted on 01/07/2018 10:04:34 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

“It is now legal to build your own rifle.
They want that changed.
This is the propaganda to get that accomplished.”

Under a “new law” here in CA, you are supposed to “get permission” from the State now to build a personal firearm, and you are supposed to have it serialized and registered with the state. Just wonder how that’s going to go? I’d bet along with stocking up on ammo late last year, that real Californians also purchased a stock of 80% lowers and anything else they needed to complete their “home built” AR-15.


11 posted on 01/07/2018 10:16:32 AM PST by vette6387
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To: T-Bird45

Time to buy more 80% lowers. The Demonrats are coming for this, too, just like everything else.


12 posted on 01/07/2018 10:17:45 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (The GOP-Democrat-Media Uniparty must be destroyed.)
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To: T-Bird45

More gun control over an extraordinary small number of law abiding citizens who make their own stuff.

What about Ghost Cars or Ghost planes...


13 posted on 01/07/2018 10:17:58 AM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: kingu

“...what’s to stop someone from just making receivers using a CNC machine?”

I just imagine it’s being done already, since some custom AR’s use CNC- billet machined lowers already, so the programming already exists and is probably being distributed.


14 posted on 01/07/2018 10:18:39 AM PST by vette6387
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To: T-Bird45

In the turd world they would set up a forge and MAKE the parts for AKs, that’s why they rattle so bad.


15 posted on 01/07/2018 10:19:20 AM PST by ichabod1 (People don't want to believe it be what it be but it is.)
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To: T-Bird45

I didn’t read the article, but the author seems to believe “traceability” is the magical elixir that will cure all crime ills.

There was a thread yesterday showing that a very low fraction of murders in Chicago result in conviction (less than 10%, I think).

So, how, exactly, does this magical traceability help solve capital crimes? I just did some google searches on this and found no data — just some articles on how crime labs can theoretically trace guns to solve crime.

Methinks the author has watched far too many episodes of CSI SVU.


16 posted on 01/07/2018 10:21:01 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: T-Bird45

More invented bullshyte to manipulate people into confiscatory policy and leftist totalitarian control. Here me now, lefties:BURN!


17 posted on 01/07/2018 10:22:04 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: T-Bird45

Give me a laptop, a 3-D printer, and a small milling machine.......what is it you want again?


18 posted on 01/07/2018 10:26:23 AM PST by yadent
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To: ichabod1

Used LOTS of those. Don’t often hear rattling. Come to think of it, I don’t believe I ever have


19 posted on 01/07/2018 10:27:43 AM PST by This_Dude
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To: House Atreides

Another Ruby Ridge set up.....


20 posted on 01/07/2018 10:35:12 AM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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