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Estrangement
Townhall.com ^ | December 17, 2017 | Bruce Bialosky

Posted on 12/16/2017 9:18:08 PM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 12/16/2017 9:18:08 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Mostly I agree, but some relationships are so toxic that distance be from disorder is called for.


2 posted on 12/16/2017 10:24:22 PM PST by Sparticus (Primary the Tuesday group!)
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"You mean to tell me your sibling got so upset with an 85-year-old man that they no longer communicate?"

In all likelihood, estrangements are not the result of some recent, one-time incident, but rather can be traced back to grievances from decades earlier and/or to lengthy patterns of misbehavior. Thus, you - as an outsider - might regard some relatively trivial event as the "cause" - when in actual fact the relationship may have been dysfunctional from the get-go, with only the superficial optics of civility masking a deeply distorted relationship.

Once when he was in college he cut off communication for a couple days (which with my son and I me is an eternity.)

Regards,

3 posted on 12/16/2017 11:38:36 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Sparticus

his whole theory would be crushed if he met my 90 yro FIL....who says everyone has some good inside?


4 posted on 12/16/2017 11:43:52 PM PST by cherry
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To: Kaslin
Narcissistic relatives *enjoy* destroying relationships and hurting you. Worse, they are almost always Democrats. lol. Life is too short to let narcissists cause unending trouble.
5 posted on 12/17/2017 1:05:24 AM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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We can all think of situations where separating from your family is justified.

Thus invalidating his entire point.

Apparently, ignorance of specific detail entitles the author to make blanket judgement on his approval of estrangement.

6 posted on 12/17/2017 1:18:33 AM PST by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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bttt


7 posted on 12/17/2017 3:12:31 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: Reeses

Narcissistic relatives *enjoy* destroying relationships and hurting you. Worse, they are almost always Democrats. lol. Life is too short to let narcissists cause unending trouble.
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Yep. Been there and had it done to me. It is still too painful, after 20+ years, to iterate and reiterate all the occurrences, but, suffice to say my husband noticed the glee with which a sibling took my plea for family as a mandate to deny me all contact. With my mother, it took a blunt form:”I don’t care what is happening in your life.” Followed by a detailed description of how to interact with her, no deviations allowed.

I left open doors through which no one walked. All of this took place after my father died. Neither of them would have behaved as they have when he was alive. I discovered that, while he was still alive, he told my mother everything was her fault. It’s some comfort.

Politics? Right on. The major excuse? Disagreement or even mild questioning on my part equaled catastrophic *embarrassment* on theirs and they could never handle something as *toxic* as embarrassment. Was I in their face? I am the world’s least confrontational person. But there comes a time when avoidance of confrontation is self-destructive. I had it pointed out to me that it didn’t matter which side of a discussion I supported. Whatever I said was automatically a make it or break it issue. I tested this thesis over a 10-year period and it held up to analysis.

Would I accept an overture from the sibling? Sure, but I can’t forget decades of attacks, lies and self-righteousness. You can’t go home again is true, in my case.


8 posted on 12/17/2017 3:31:10 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: alexander_busek

I went silent on my MIL for several weeks when she decided “we have to give that nice young black man a chance” back in ‘08. I guess she was 88. If she had been an idiotic life-long lib I could have brushed it off, but she knew better. I’m a bad person, I guess.


9 posted on 12/17/2017 3:39:34 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Kaslin

2 Tim. 3, in the last days men will become irreconcilable.


10 posted on 12/17/2017 7:16:15 AM PST by lurk
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To: Kaslin

Children play hot potato with the elderly in the family trying to get out from helping out.


11 posted on 12/17/2017 12:05:54 PM PST by SaraJohnson ( Whites must sue for racism. It's pay day.)
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yup. but he needed a column that week to keep eating.


12 posted on 12/17/2017 12:26:30 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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That’s funny!!! Did she finally realize that that “nice young black man” was a detriment to us and our country?


13 posted on 12/17/2017 3:33:24 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Kaslin
“You mean to tell me your sibling got so upset with an 85-year-old man that they no longer communicate?”

Yep.

You notice it is all her fault in the author's mind?

I have a family member I refuse to communicate with. If I want to be insulted repeatedly I will turn on CNN.

There comes a time in your life sometimes when you have to say, "I will no longer be your target."

14 posted on 12/17/2017 3:38:12 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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I have a relative who is a die-hard, Trump-hating, Berkeley progressive. We don't talk any more. No angry blowups, just a gradual realization that we had nothing in common, no family financial ties, and after several decades of acquantance really nothing more to talk about.

Would I hang up on him if he called me? No - nor do I think he would hang up on me. Will I call him first? No, nor will he call me first.

"Estrangement" can mean many different things. An irrational anger over one incident, such as the author mentions, is probably unnecessary. But a forced relationship when there is no common ground at all is also unnecessary.

15 posted on 12/17/2017 3:39:21 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: Thank You Rush

“Did she finally realize that that “nice young black man” was a detriment to us and our country?”

Nope. She died in 2015 and had no problem with Hussein. Ugh! She was upset when we left SoCal for TN in 2010 because we wouldn’t be there to help her. We told her that because HER president had cut defense budget, the contractor my husband worked for closed that office. We had to go where he could find work.

She didn’t have any response. Guess she realized that elections have consequences.


16 posted on 12/17/2017 5:05:54 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: MayflowerMadam

This is why democracy is a failed way to form a government and a Republic (i.e. people voting for people who make the rules) is not much better. People really do not vote with ‘interests’ in mind and more likely vote with ‘let’s give the nice black man a chance’ reasoning.

The Constitutional Republic our founding fathers put together was an attempt to reel in the ‘bads’ of democracies but clearly, people have found ways around those limitations.

Regardless, have a Merry Christmas all!

JoMa


17 posted on 12/17/2017 5:50:46 PM PST by joma89
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To: Sparticus
Mostly I agree, but some relationships are so toxic that distance be from disorder is called for.

Amen. I miss my blood relative greatly. But I do not miss the toxic liberal tyrannical in-law my relative is married to even more.

18 posted on 12/17/2017 6:06:43 PM PST by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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To: Reeses
Narcissistic relatives *enjoy* destroying relationships and hurting you. Worse, they are almost always Democrats. lol.

Yep.

19 posted on 12/17/2017 6:07:50 PM PST by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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This sanctimonious POS needs a good bitch-slap upside his head. Of course he knows every single family situation and every single grievance to be able to say cutting off a family member is never appropriate.

Dumbass. He probably deserves whatever he gets.

20 posted on 12/17/2017 6:12:10 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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