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The Police Murder of Daniel Shaver
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Posted on 12/10/2017 7:10:13 AM PST by JP1201

If you have the stomach for it, I want you to watch one of the most outrageous and infuriating videos I’ve ever seen. It shows the police shooting of Daniel Shaver in Mesa, Arizona. He was crawling on his hands and knees, crying, and begging police not to shoot him. An officer shot him anyway:

The Washington Post’s account is decent, but you have to watch the video truly grasp the strangeness of the requests:

In fact, the Post actually sugarcoats the encounter. At one point an officer tells him “do not put your hands down for any reason,” even saying, “If you think you’re going to fall, you better fall on your face.” Then he says, “Crawl towards me.” How he can crawl without putting his hands down, I don’t know. As the sobbing man crawls, he reaches back towards his pants (perhaps to pull them up) and is immediately shot dead. He had no weapon. He had done nothing wrong. And now he’s dead.

Essentially, what the police told an innocent, law-abiding, intoxicated American was this: Follow my highly-specific, very strange instructions or die. There was no need to make him crawl. The police were in command of the situation. At no point is there a visible weapon. I have seen soldiers deal with al Qaeda terrorists with more professionalism and poise. When a man is prone, his hands are visible, and your gun is trained upon him, he is in your power. At trial, the officer testified that he though the suspect was reaching for his gun, and that if he had a chance to do things over, he’d make the same decision again. In other words, he presented the classic defense. He was afraid, so he fired.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; banglist; danielshaver; donutwatch; leo; philipbrailsford; shooting
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To: dragnet2

> The jury can not prove the cop wrong and took his word for it. <

You’re right about that. But let’s assume that the cop really was in fear for his life. Should that be enough for an acquittal?

Let’s suppose I am taking my daily walk on the side of a country road. I have a permit, and I am carrying. A speeding car comes barreling down the road. And it’s weaving a bit. I am legitimately in fear for my life. That car could hit me.

Do I have a right to shoot at that car? I think not.

I guess what I’m trying to say is this. There are levels of fear. A guy has a gun and he’s raising it towards you. Yep, you should be in great fear for your life. Shoot if you must. A guy reaches for his waistband. No gun is seen. You could still be in fear for your life. But that fear is not at a shooting level, IMO.


101 posted on 12/10/2017 9:27:59 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Mr Rogers

There is an us and them mentality. Us being the police fraternity and them being everyone else. Everyone else is treated as the lowest common denominator...scum. The good, bad and ugly all treated in the same faux macho gruff manner. Zero human skills. All the fault of the political structure which is responsible for recruiting, selecting, training and inculcating desired traits. FAIL.

I remember the good old days growing up on south side of Chicago which might as well have been Dublin. As kids we were scared shitless of the officer Paddy O’briens standing on the corner twiring their billy clubs. But they were always smiling, cheerful and helpful...as long as you didnt cross them. The last thing in the world they would do though is shoot someone like they do these days. More like British bobbies.


102 posted on 12/10/2017 9:36:58 AM PST by Bonemaker (White Southerners have been under attack since 1860.)
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To: Dubh_Ghlase
Cop with a God complex. He needs to be charged with murder!

He WAS charged, tried and acquitted by a jury that was forbidden to see all the evidence.

Guilty as sin, free as a bird, what a country!

103 posted on 12/10/2017 9:45:05 AM PST by null and void (The internet gave everyone a mouth. It gave no one a brain.)
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To: DaveA37

He needed to be given ANY sentence, and terminated. He should never wear a blue uniform again.


104 posted on 12/10/2017 9:45:21 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Robert DeLong
I guess I missed were that was mentioned in either article

That was the defendants entire defense.

105 posted on 12/10/2017 9:47:29 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Ancesthntr

Never? I understand North Korea is hiring...


106 posted on 12/10/2017 9:48:28 AM PST by null and void (The internet gave everyone a mouth. It gave no one a brain.)
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To: kenmcg
This was an execution by a trigger happy cop. They had plenty of opportunity to handcuff the suspect. The cop was allowed to use his own personal AR-15.

If this cop was so in fear of his life he should have called in backup. He should have ordered the suspect to lie down on his belly will all arms and legs splayed out and not to move. There were other police on the scene. They all should have converged on this drunken suspect and taken care of arresting him.

107 posted on 12/10/2017 9:53:35 AM PST by dennisw (Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it is enemy action.)
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To: lastchance

They could have easily cuffed and searched him while he was proned out on the floor. The officers instructions were beyond ridiculous.


108 posted on 12/10/2017 10:04:53 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Robert DeLong

So, to cut through the defensive blather, you believe the dead man was stupid for not following garbled orders. That’s the long and the short of it. You’re actually not all that intelligent. I detect the mind of a bureaucrat, lengthy sentences hidebound with rules and you’re quite proud of them, completely unaware of the very basic truth that you just cannot grasp.


109 posted on 12/10/2017 10:07:07 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: JP1201
Over on Protectandserve, PoliceOne and Lawenforcementforums they are all celebrating this jury decision. It’s actually sickening to try and read...

Did they see the video ?
110 posted on 12/10/2017 10:09:14 AM PST by uncbob
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To: kenmcg
The cop was allowed to use his own personal AR-15.

Might have a lot to do with it if this cop liked to run around on his off time in the desert playing "operator" and was just itching to try his AR out on a live target.

111 posted on 12/10/2017 10:24:52 AM PST by doorgunner69 (No video seems to happen a lot when they shoot somebody..........)
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To: JP1201

” They are simply armed government road pirates who’s job it is to stop people and extract money from them at gun point which politicians spend on pet projects designed to get them re-elected”

Just like the Federales in Mexico. A badge, a gun, a car and gas, free bullets and off they go to “earn a living.”


112 posted on 12/10/2017 10:31:06 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Uncle Lonny

“The curious thing surrounding this story is its lack of prominence in the news cycle. Shaver was murdered...”

Because he’s white.

Does not fit the narrative.


113 posted on 12/10/2017 10:32:56 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Da Coyote

unfortunately this officer was acquitted of 2nd degree murder. The jury had the opportunity to downgrade the conviction to manslaughter. The jury declined to do so. This goes to the pro law enforcement jury instructions given by the Judge. Also evidence that conveyed the officers state of mind were not given to the jury. That evidence was the dust cover on his AR15 had the words “fuck you” embossed on it.

Equally troubling was that in the immediate aftermath of the shooting the leadership of the Mesa P.D. cleared the officers declaring it a “good shoot”.

A civil suite is all that is left.


114 posted on 12/10/2017 11:13:21 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: Da Coyote

The sooner you get over your cop worship the better. Cops are agents of the State, not protectors of citizens. Surely by now you have noticed that The State is not here to serve and protect anyone except the institutions of power.


115 posted on 12/10/2017 11:15:45 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: lastchance

Then the judges instructions to the jury are a lie. And are there to counteract proper justice.

Whatever happened to that Somali cop in Minneapolis who killed an Australian white woman for no good reason?
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Minneapolis police brace for backlash on decision over officer in Justine Damond shooting— whatever it is
Police chief expects heated reaction whether or not officer Mohamed Noor is charged in her fatal shooting.
By Brandon Stahl Star Tribune
December 9, 2017 — 8:13pm
http://www.startribune.com/police-brace-for-backlash-on-noor-decision-whatever-s-decided/463073423/


116 posted on 12/10/2017 11:24:10 AM PST by dennisw (Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it is enemy action.)
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To: boycott
Yes, I know there are some bad police, but by far, most police officers are good people with good intentions.

The real problem is not the few bad police...it's the 'good people' wearing a badge that will always find away to defend the indefensible, and support the bad police when they don't deserve it.

NO ONE wearing a badge that tries to justify this execution is 'good people'.
117 posted on 12/10/2017 11:31:23 AM PST by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
No idiot, I'm saying that is our justice system like it or not.

Develop a better one if you can.

118 posted on 12/10/2017 11:47:01 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

Such a sparkling example of erudition. Have you ever been published?


119 posted on 12/10/2017 12:06:06 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Robert DeLong
Yeah, let's see how well you play "Simon Says" with a guy bellowing at you every other sentence about how he's going to kill you.

This cop did nothing to deescalate the situation. It was him and five others armed with rifles, yet he acted like the obviously terrified man on his hands and knees, crying, begging for his life was some kind of major threat to everyone around him.

Officer Tacticool was looking for a reason to pull the trigger on his personal rifle, and he found one.


120 posted on 12/10/2017 12:16:24 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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