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The Navy Is Changing Its Plans for its Dumbed-Down Zumwalts and Their Ammoless Guns
The Drive ^ | DECEMBER 5, 2017 | JOSEPH TREVITHICK

Posted on 12/06/2017 7:30:02 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 12/06/2017 7:30:02 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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keeping the program roughly on track, but making it increasingly less relevant in the process.

Cost, Schedule, Performance.

If things don't go well, you need to feel pain in one or more of these areas -- spend more money? Lengthen the schedule? Decrease performance requirements?

Program Managers tend to hold cost and schedule as the most sacred goals. Therefore, fielding navy ships which cannot actually perform a mission is seen as the price you have to pay for achieving the more important goals.

2 posted on 12/06/2017 7:37:19 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Benedict McCain is the worst traitor ever to wear the uniform of the US military.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What a awful article, if accurate. These ships sound like future man made reef candidates.


3 posted on 12/06/2017 7:38:37 AM PST by Truth29
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Yeah, yeah.

Zumwalt, Monsoor (MoreMoors ? Monsoon?) and LBJ.

Three really, really inspirational characters.
For three really, really foolish ships.


4 posted on 12/06/2017 7:39:22 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; Army Air Corps
I should have know the Swamp Bureaucracy couldn't handle something as simple as Naval Artillery.

Epic Fail.

5 posted on 12/06/2017 7:39:36 AM PST by KC_Lion (If you want on First Lady Melania's, Ivanka Trump's or Sarah Palin's Ping Lists, just let me know.)
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12 billion dollar rat hole, proving once again that a boat is just a hole in the water to throw money into ...

Useless junk like the F-35. Rat holes both. But nice Pentagon naval perfumed price toys ...


6 posted on 12/06/2017 7:39:59 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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junk


7 posted on 12/06/2017 7:44:09 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Perfumed Princes strike again. The word “snafu” will never become trite.


8 posted on 12/06/2017 7:45:06 AM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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My only consolation is the hope that our main competitors are probably just as bureaucratically inefficient and stupidly wasteful as we are, and that their junk is no better than our junk.


9 posted on 12/06/2017 7:48:51 AM PST by henkster
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The next one built in Maine should have a name of one of the most frightening American men in History. The U.S.S. Stephen King should have some really spooky armament.


10 posted on 12/06/2017 7:50:45 AM PST by VietVet876
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At $4bil a copy, you could sail EIGHT advanced Frigates.

Eight.

What a dumb friggin’ idea this was.

We need MORE platforms, not better platforms. We already have the best ships in the world with the most effective combined weapons systems.

We just need more of them. And quick.


11 posted on 12/06/2017 7:51:59 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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“Useless junk like the F-35”

The F-35 is the best attack and interdiction aircraft in the world.

It’s not even close.


12 posted on 12/06/2017 7:53:47 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Monsoor was a Navy Seal who threw himself upon a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.........Medal of Honor posthumously....................


13 posted on 12/06/2017 7:53:56 AM PST by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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It already has.

The USS Lyndon Baines Johnson......That’s the scariest name a ship could have............


14 posted on 12/06/2017 7:55:18 AM PST by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

In keeping with the lib mindset:
There’s nothing wrong with a ammoless gun, it’s the thought that counts. If the whole world had ships that couldn’t shoot, the world would be a peaceful paradise.


15 posted on 12/06/2017 8:08:01 AM PST by redfreedom
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“The F-35 is the best attack and interdiction aircraft in the world.”


Unfounded claim.

Right ... the software does not work, the gun does not fire, pilots risk their lives taking off from carriers due to instabilities, and there are no plans nor money to fix the myriad of problems. POS. You are reading too many Pentagon press releases.

Other than that, it flies really well and USAF pilots love it, but there it ends.


16 posted on 12/06/2017 8:09:35 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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“Useless junk like the F-35.”

You’re sadly misinformed regarding the F-35...

Note that President Trump is now a fan.


17 posted on 12/06/2017 8:10:53 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Make America Greater Than Ever!)
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“Right ... the software does not work, POS.”

Let’s see. The software does work, I guess what you’re referring to is delays in the block upgrade schedule. Gee, I’ve never heard of software taking longer than expected, have you? This is safety critical software so the QA process is extremely stringent. Not a single F-35 has crashed during the entire program, that says something...

“the gun does not fire,”

Two of the variants don’t have a built in gun. The F-35A gun has fired successfully, not sure what you’re talking about.

“pilots risk their lives taking off from carriers due to instabilities,”

This has been addressed, you need current information if you’re going to criticize.

“and there are no plans nor money to fix the myriad of problems.”

Completely off base. Do some actual research.

Here is an article from a year ago, with first-hand accounts from Marine aviators flying the F-35B, the only supersonic STOVL aircraft in history:

https://theaviationist.com/2016/12/08/four-of-the-most-experienced-usmc-f-35b-pilots-speak-about-their-aircraft-and-they-say-its-exceptional/

The summary: “The voice of the pilots is clear – the platform is working exceptionally. The F-35 is a platform with the ultimate level of sophistication, made simple. And therein lay the beauty of the F-35, and just why it will be so deadly, it’s simple.”

My favorite quote from the pilots:

“I was leading a four ship of F-35s on a strike against 4th Gen adversaries, F-16s and F/A-18s. We fought our way in, we mapped the target, found the target, dropped JDAMs on the target and turned around and fought our way out. All the targets got hit, nobody got detected, and all the adversaries died. I thought, yes, this works, very, very, very well. Never detected, nobody had any idea we were out there.”

Semper Fi!


18 posted on 12/06/2017 8:20:54 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Make America Greater Than Ever!)
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Right! DJT? Who cares? It makes no difference - fan or not. His fandom seems limited to slicing off costs thereby limiting its capabilities even more.

The Pentagon's official F-35 bug list is terrifying

Pentagon: Here are all the problems with the F-35

Pentagon Report: The F-35 Is Still a Mess

F-35 'Deficiencies' Decreasing, But Hundreds Remain

19 posted on 12/06/2017 8:23:55 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Surely swabbie guys will say the same about the waste of money called Littoral Combat Ships.


20 posted on 12/06/2017 8:26:31 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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