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An analog GPS. :-)
1 posted on 10/26/2017 1:39:00 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping......welcome back you were missed


2 posted on 10/26/2017 1:45:16 PM PDT by stockpirate (SETH RICH gave the emails to wikikileaks murdered he was, cover up it is)
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To: Oatka

I know someone who could have used it since they apparently forgot all the fancy modern stuff.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3598929/posts?page=1


3 posted on 10/26/2017 1:45:50 PM PDT by cyclotic (Trump tweets are the only news source you can trust.)
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To: Oatka

The Portuguese don’t get enough credit.

They were an extremely tough bunch. Won a huge empire with a few hundred or a few dozen men, sometimes, against incredible odds.

And they were far ahead of the rest of Europe with tools and techniques just like this astrolabe, plus navigation guides (instrument positions of landmarks, of tides and currents and winds). A lot of the later Europeans copied their things directly, and often hired them (Magellan for instance) when heavy duty navigating had to be done.


4 posted on 10/26/2017 1:46:42 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Oatka

I thought the aliens that visited us 4000 years ago left some navigation equipment in the desert. How can this be older?


5 posted on 10/26/2017 1:49:22 PM PDT by WeWaWes (When I look in the mirror I see an elephant--a bad ass elephant)
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To: Oatka

and it is still usable to navigate with.


6 posted on 10/26/2017 1:56:59 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Oatka

An astrolabe was a horrible device to use. The navigator hung it from his left thumb to get it vertical. Then he looked directly at the sun over the sighting arm and moved the arm up or down to point directly at the sun and get a reading. What with the rolling and pitching of the ship, there was little hope of an accurate sighting. Add to that the direct sun viewing burned out many navigators’ corneas and it was a horrible job.


9 posted on 10/26/2017 2:17:58 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Oatka

Meh, big deal. The Antikythera mechanism is at least 1500 years older and far more advanced.


13 posted on 10/26/2017 3:00:30 PM PDT by 762X51
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“An astrolabe is an elaborate inclinometer, historically used by astronomers and navigators to measure the inclined position in the sky of a celestial body, day or night.

It can thus be used to identify stars or planets, to determine local latitude given local time (and vice versa), to survey, or to triangulate. It was used in classical antiquity, the Islamic Golden Age,[1] the European Middle Ages, and the Renaissance for all these purposes.

The astrolabe is effective for determining latitude on land or calm seas, although it is less reliable on the heaving deck of a ship in rough seas. The mariner’s astrolabe was developed to solve that problem. ...”

An early astrolabe was invented in the Hellenistic civilization by Apollonius of Perga between 220 and 150 BC, often attributed to Hipparchus.

The astrolabe was a marriage of the planisphere and dioptra, effectively an analog calculator capable of working out several different kinds of problems in spherical astronomy. Theon of Alexandria (c. 335 – c. 405) wrote a detailed treatise on the astrolabe, and Lewis[8] argues that Ptolemy used an astrolabe to make the astronomical observations recorded in the Tetrabiblos.

Some historians attribute the astrolabe’s invention to Hypatia, the daughter of Theon of Alexandria,[9] noting that her student Synesius credits her for the invention in his letters.[10]

Astrolabes continued in use in the Greek-speaking world throughout the Byzantine period. About 550 AD, Christian philosopher John Philoponus wrote a treatise on the astrolabe in Greek, which is the earliest extant treatise on the instrument.[a]

Mesopotamian bishop Severus Sebokht also wrote a treatise on the astrolabe in the Syriac language in the mid-7th century.[b]

Sebokht refers to the astrolabe as being made of brass in the introduction of his treatise, indicating that metal astrolabes were known in the Christian East well before they were developed in the Islamic world or in the Latin West.[11]

Medieval era:

A treatise explaining the importance of the astrolabe by Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Persian scientist
Astrolabe of Jean Fusoris (fr), made in Paris, 1400

diagram of an astrolabe's tympan

Animation showing how celestial and geographic coordinates are mapped on an astrolabe’s tympan through a stereographic projection. Hypothetical tympan (40 degrees North Latitude) of a 16th-century European planispheric astrolabe.

Astrolabes were further developed in the medieval Islamic world, where Muslim astronomers introduced angular scales to the design,[12] adding circles indicating azimuths on the horizon.[13]

It was widely used throughout the Muslim world, chiefly as an aid to navigation and as a way of finding the Qibla, the direction of Mecca. Eighth-century mathematician Muhammad al-Fazari is the first person credited with building the astrolabe in the Islamic world.[14]

The mathematical background was established by Muslim astronomer Albatenius in his treatise Kitab az-Zij (c. 920 AD), which was translated into Latin by Plato Tiburtinus (De Motu Stellarum). The earliest surviving astrolabe is dated AH 315 (927–28 AD).[15]

In the Islamic world, astrolabes were used to find the times of sunrise and the rising of fixed stars, to help schedule morning prayers (salat).

In the 10th century, al-Sufi first described over 1,000 different uses of an astrolabe, in areas as diverse as astronomy, astrology, navigation, surveying, timekeeping, prayer, Salat, Qibla, etc.[16][17]
Astrolabium Masha’Allah Public Library Bruges (nl) Ms. 522

The spherical astrolabe was a variation of both the astrolabe and the armillary sphere, invented during the Middle Ages by astronomers and inventors in the Islamic world.[c]

The earliest description of the spherical astrolabe dates back to Al-Nayrizi (fl. 892–902).

In the 12th century, Sharaf al-Din al-Tusi invented the linear astrolabe, sometimes called the “staff of al-Tusi”, which was “a simple wooden rod with graduated markings but without sights.

It was furnished with a plumb line and a double chord for making angular measurements and bore a perforated pointer”.[18] The geared mechanical astrolabe was invented by Abi Bakr of Isfahan in 1235.[19]

Peter of Maricourt wrote a treatise on the construction and use of a universal astrolabe in the last half of the 13th century entitled Nova compositio astrolabii particularis. Universal astrolabes can be found at the History of Science Museum in Oxford.

English author Geoffrey Chaucer (c. 1343–1400) compiled A Treatise on the Astrolabe for his son, mainly based on Messahalla.

The same source was translated by French astronomer and astrologer Pélerin de Prusse and others. The first printed book on the astrolabe was Composition and Use of Astrolabe by Christian of Prachatice, also using Messahalla, but relatively original.

In 1370, the first Indian treatise on the astrolabe was written by the Jain astronomer Mahendra Suri.[20]

The first known metal astrolabe in Western Europe is the Destombes astrolabe made from brass in tenth-century Spain.[21][22]

Metal astrolabes avoided the warping that large wooden ones were prone to, allowing the construction of larger and therefore more accurate instruments. Metal astrolabes were heavier than wooden instruments of the same size, making it difficult to use them in navigation.[23]

The astrolabe was almost certainly first brought north of the Pyrenees by Gerbert of Aurillac (future Pope Sylvester II), where it was integrated into the quadrivium at the school in Reims, France sometime before the turn of the 11th century.[24]

In the 15th century, French instrument maker Jean Fusoris (c. 1365–1436) also started remaking and selling astrolabes in his shop in Paris, along with portable sundials and other popular scientific devices of the day. Thirteen of his astrolabes survive to this day.[25]

One more special example of craftsmanship in early 15th-century Europe is the astrolabe designed by Antonius de Pacento and made by Dominicus de Lanzano, dated 1420.[26]

In the 16th century, Johannes Stoffler published Elucidatio fabricae ususque astrolabii, a manual of the construction and use of the astrolabe. Four identical 16th-century astrolabes made by Georg Hartmann provide some of the earliest evidence for batch production by division of labor.
Astrolabes and clocks

Mechanical astronomical clocks were initially influenced by the astrolabe; they could be seen in many ways as clockwork astrolabes designed to produce a continual display of the current position of the sun, stars, and planets. For example, Richard of Wallingford’s clock (c. 1330) consisted essentially of a star map rotating behind a fixed rete, similar to that of an astrolabe.[27]

Many astronomical clocks use an astrolabe-style display, such as the famous clock at Prague, adopting a stereographic projection (see below) of the ecliptic plane. In recent times, astrolabe watches have become popular.

For example, Swiss watchmaker Dr. Ludwig Oechslin designed and built an astrolabe wristwatch in conjunction with Ulysse Nardin in 1985. Dutch watchmaker Christaan van der Klauuw also manufactures astrolabe watches today. ...”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrolabe

17 posted on 10/26/2017 3:46:08 PM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Nukes. See my FR page)
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To: Oatka

The earliest navigation tool is a compass. More fake headlines in search of hits.


18 posted on 10/26/2017 4:12:03 PM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: Oatka

It had to do with the loss of the flower of Portuguese chivalry at a critical juncture, which in turn led to a consolidation of Spanish control over Iberia and the former colonies of Portugal.

Battle of Ksar El Kebir: The Battle of Three Kings, Morocco 1578
http://warfarehistorian.blogspot.com/2013/08/battle-of-ksar-el-kebir-morocco-1578.html


19 posted on 10/26/2017 11:46:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Oatka

I saw a documentary recently on Viking use of a sun dial for directions along with a crystal ‘sun stone’ to find the sun during overcast days. These would have been used before the astrolabe that was recovered.

Still, it is interesting to see how proficient the ancients were in inventing tools to help them overcome the obstacles to movement around the world.


21 posted on 10/27/2017 8:12:23 AM PDT by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a slasher, and find one.... what's your plan?)
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To: Oatka

just a slight update:

Earliest known Mariner’s Astrolabe research published today to go in Guinness Book of Records
EurekAlert!
Public Release: 17-Mar-2019
University of Warwick
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-03/uow-ekm031519.php


22 posted on 03/17/2019 11:17:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (this tagline space is now available)
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