Posted on 10/18/2017 8:03:44 PM PDT by conservative98
SAN DIEGO, Calif. (KGTV) -- Contractors working on the border wall prototypes have a week to finish their models.
10News got a tour of the construction site on Wednesday morning. Construction started on Sept. 26.
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Since it is an international border regular Army can patrol it now. No laws need to change. Why that doesn’t happen it a mystery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier
They use a 200 ft exclusion zone where possible.
Without an exclusion zone, multiple swarms can overwhelm the system.
Probably not much of a tactical gain, but a strategic gain; massively increasing US manpower requirements.
Contractors must meet several requirements while building these prototypes. The structures
must be anti-breaching, anti-climbing, anti-digging and safe for Border Patrol agents to patrol.
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Are the walls proposed to be built on the border line or some distance inland? I still don’t
see how the illegals couldn’t build a scaffold or ladder like device on the Mexico side which
they could scale and then drop down via a rope, etc.
Yes. I have been told technology can easily detect tunneling in the areas where there is no dense population, which is most of the border.
Tunnels are nearly always in the cities, it is easier to disguise them with the network of underground storm drains, utilities, things like that make it harder for technology to sort out what is normal.
We all have to remember, no barrier can stand alone and do the job. We have to have technology, regular patrols. We must have the barrier, an absolute message that THIS is the border, and we do not want illegal crossers. That sounds like common sense but what we have now for miles is old barb wire livestock fence and illegal aliens and smugglers have claimed they “didn’t know” they had crossed the border. We have had the Mexican military cross the border and make that claim. The barrier has to leave no doubt it is the border, then we have to defend that barrier.
My whole life I have seen that the neighbor who pays for the fence gets the good side.
Is that abnormal?
I actually prefer the bad side because it provides a step.
Definitely, a multiple barrier system (a wall and fence, or two or more fences), with an alarmed exclusion area between them is the biggest force multiplier.
A big wall will screen out the bulk of border crossers, so there would be fewer cases to focus on. With the crowds deterred, the cartel smugglers will stand out all the more, for greater focus.
Sensors and cameras in the exclusion area can collect evidence 24x7, to quickly identify new methods smugglers are using.
I would also like to see every patrol vehicle equipped with an aerial drone or two. Border Patrol wants a see through fence to keep an eye on what is happening on the South side, but it allows the bad guys to constantly monitor the Border Patrol’s movements as well. A solid wall, with air supremacy for the Border Patrol would be the best of both worlds.
Drones would also allow officers to constantly track border crossers, until they can arrive on scene to arrest them.
“I still don’t see how the illegals couldn’t build a scaffold or ladder like device on the Mexico side”
As that becomes a bigger job, it takes longer, allowing more time for detection and interdiction.
That is the essential calculus of the defensive fortification.
As the barrier gets tougher, the number of folks attempting to breach also goes down, and you get to focus your same forces against fewer targets. Barriers are force multipliers.
An effective barrier system will include multiple barriers (like a wall and a fence or two) with an exclusion area in between, that is wired with sensors, alarms and cameras, and has all-weather (paved) roads for quick response. That is what is planned in most cases for Trump’s wall.
Once banditos are inside the exclusion area, the cops are on the way. Even if they can breach the wall using fit young men with specialized climbing gear, they are much more likely to be arrested on the US side.
Building scaffolding or ramps is prohibitively difficult over a 30 foot wall with 100 feet of standoff exclusion area, with the cops on the way.
Once the big infrastructure is laid in (Wall, exclusion area, roads, utility conduit) it is quick and cheap to strap on additional features, like razor wire, new sensors, or aerial drone patrols/response, as new breaching techniques are tried by the cartels.
The great bulk of illegal immigrants and petty criminals however, will be decisively deterred by a barrier like the one planned. The border area of San Diego was a slum, before a decent 18 foot fence was put in - now it is safe and expensive real estate.
Curious. What do you see as the layout along the Rio Grande?
“What do you see as the layout along the Rio Grande?”
That is tough terrain for sure. The feasible approach is to build barriers on the US bank of the river, as they do at the major existing border crossings in Texas, like McAllen.
Even a relatively small exclusion area, like a 30’ barrier with a fenced single lane road on both sides (50 feet total), could be instrumented with sensors and cameras, and provide a daunting obstacle - especially with the river itself impeding any vehicle from Mexico approaching the barrier.
Ranchers, farmers and municipalities need access to the river water, which can be piped as a mitigation - but recreational use would likely be curtailed in areas, or go through border control points. Local security/crime rates will likely see a major improvement in the urban areas.
San Diego experienced a major turnaround of its border areas after the fence was installed. Previously slummy crime-ridden areas near the border cleaned up and now are expensive real estate.
The Rio Grande Valley is part of Phase one of the wall plan, so we will likely see the Government view of the layout starting in 2018.
Thanks for your thoughts.
It will be a different set of problems for sure. This may push more crossings into
the major lake areas. The Rio Grande canyon areas can be left to the end of the projects.
The next question revolves around what to do with the illegals from the far East and Asia.
From what I understand they are as large of a group on a yearly basis as those crossing
the southern border or maybe larger.
During the campaign, Trump gave an immigration policy speech, which laid out a comprehensive set of policies, which would transform the situation.
He talked about enforcement, staffing up officers and judges, removing incentives in welfare and employment, revising the legal immigration system to one based on merit, as well as strengthening all border controls in addition to the Wall/barriers.
There will always be a way in, but the flood can be staunched - it has already slowed.
Just not doing what Obama did would slow the flow. The Obama Administration spent literally billions to support immigrant flows, including masses of illegals - contracting for their housing, feeding and transportation. They ran media campaigns in Latin America, ensuring the public that their children would be cared for, and coaching just what they needed to say to slip through the system.
The illegals from the Far East as I understand it come in on a legal visa but don’t
leave. And they now represent a large number each year and some say possibly a
larger number than the southern border illegals
Border Control wanted a see through wall # 6 looks like the only one.
The first phase (of Trump’s Wall Plan) would be the smallest, targeting sections covering 26 miles (42 km) near San Diego, California; El Paso, Texas; and in Texas’s Rio Grande Valley.
The second phase of construction proposed in the report would cover 151 miles (242 km) of border in and around the Rio Grande Valley; Laredo, Texas; Tucson, Arizona; El Paso, Texas and Big Bend, Texas.
The third phase would cover an unspecified 1,080 miles (1,728 km), essentially sealing off the entire U.S.-Mexico border.
My estimate is that $1.6 Billion would approximately cover the first two phases, at around $9 million per mile.
Visa overstays are a huge problem - almost anyone can get a tourist visa.
There is basically no followup for overstays, unless they are arrested for something else.
Yep. Something like 10 million visas a year for ‘visits’ to the US, with almost no follow up.
Visa overstays could be addressed with better computer systems.
There are probably many databases that would reveal them, if they were searched - credit cards, cell phones, etc., in addition to Government databases, like drivers licenses welfare or voter registration. I doubt that China has much of a problem with visa overstays.
Artificial intelligence applications could mine the data, and learn to track them down.
Also, penalties could be increased, and deportation policies could be streamlined.
I just saw this report from today (http://www.theolympian.com/news/business/article179842706.html):
“Trump has asked Congress for $1.6 billion to replace 14 miles of wall (22.4 kilometers) in San Diego and build 60 miles (96 kilometers) in Texas’ Rio Grande Valley, the busiest corridor for illegal crossings.”
That would be 74 miles at around $21 Billion per mile - very robust infrastructure and/or very high acquisition costs.
Computer systems is what is on the horizon.
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A top official at the Department of Homeland Security says the agency will start
deploying a long-delayed computer system in 2018 to detect when foreign visitors
and temporary workers fail to depart the United States on time.
I”m curious as to how the Texas stuff will come down. It is going to be different
than the western states due to the meandering of the border along the Rio Grande.
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