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Based on the Early Reports, the Las Vegas Shooting Is Very, Very Strange
National Review ^ | 10-2-2017 | DAVID FRENCH

Posted on 10/03/2017 3:31:00 AM PDT by servo1969

As virtually everyone has noted from the abundant video footage of the incident, it certainly sounds as if the shooter used either fully-automatic weapons or semi-automatic weapons modified (through, for example, a bump fire stock) to closely simulate automatic fire. Moreover, the police are reporting that he had “more than 10 rifles.” He apparently rented his corner room for days and may have even set up cameras to detect when police were approaching. That’s all strange enough, but it’s even more unusual when you consider that his own family apparently didn’t know that he maintained a stockpile of guns.

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Put all this together, and the shooting is flat-out bizarre. It’s significantly different from virtually any other mass shooting in U.S. history. If the weapons were fully automatic, then he likely would have spent immense sums of money to obtain them legally, jumping through extensive legal hoops.

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So, a person who’s “not a gun guy” has either expended untold thousands of dollars to legally purchase fully-automatic weapons, somehow found them on the black market, or purchased and substantially modified multiple semi-automatic weapons — and did so with enough competence to create a sustained rate of fire. This same person also spent substantial sums purchasing just the right hotel room to maximize casualties.

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Given the firepower and the packed mass of people, it’s easy to see how the casualty count was so high, even firing from an extreme range (by the standards of mass shootings.) This was the University of Texas tower attack on steroids, conducted out of nowhere, with meticulous planning and at great expense, from a person who doesn’t seem to fit any normal profile of a mass shooter. There is much we have yet to learn, but for now, this is one of the most chilling and mysterious events I’ve ever seen.

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To: Terry Mross
A combat Marine called Savage and swears he hears two distinct weapons. He also counts more than 30 round bursts which he says is belt fed.

Same with the ex-army guy I talked to yesterday who was insistent there were 2 shooters. He also pointed out the number of casualties is to high for one shooter.

161 posted on 10/03/2017 5:12:39 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Fai Mao

The brother is just plain weird. In all interviews I’ve seen with him, he never looks directly at the reporter or the camera. He looks down, up and sideways.

Sure sign of deception. This whole episode smells.


162 posted on 10/03/2017 5:13:25 AM PDT by Maskot (Put every dem/lib in prison...like yesterday.)
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To: cyclotic

Don’t kid yourself. The hotel will be levelled after the story is set, so as not to allow further investigation of the site...


163 posted on 10/03/2017 5:13:52 AM PDT by smileyface (Things looking up in RED PA! I love President Trump!)
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To: yldstrk

“He was the dead body left behind by the criminals.”

the real clue at this point is the timeline, together with the statement of ammo left over in the room. Why would a mass murderer throw ~ 500-600 rounds down range in ~20 minutes, then “commit suicide” with ammo left over and the SWAT team still 40-50 minutes from breaching your door?

The suicide would make some sense if shooter fired everything but the last round, using that one through he skull to check out with.

Also, why were 2 windows of the room shot out? not like shooter is markedly improving the field of view for shots at the massive target zone from 30 stories up?

I agree it is highly credible, or even likely, that there was more than one immediately involved at the sniper nest, and this POS (with massive gambling debt?) was indeed the dead body misdirection waste left behind.

At least another person ducked out of the sniper position in the confusion generated. There certainly was time and confusion in which to do this after making 20 minutes of mayhem and SWAT still somewhere suiting up and practicing “hut-huts”.

Reference end of “ConAir” or “Ocean’s Eleven” for the Hotel exit confusion scenario, both Vegas based. Or maybe another shooter or handler just went back to their room, conveniently located right down the hall, after Vince Fostering the identified shooter. Not hard for this person to play the post-event terrified tourist role, after thoroughly washing the gunpowder residue off their body.


164 posted on 10/03/2017 5:14:01 AM PDT by spiderpig
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To: bushpilot2

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2017/10/03/1745161/vegas-shooters-companion-filipino-australian-granny


165 posted on 10/03/2017 5:15:01 AM PDT by bushpilot2
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To: cyclotic

Do not be surprised if that floor is now haunted.


166 posted on 10/03/2017 5:18:15 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: BlackAdderess

No voter reg? No online crumbs, but clearly had some type of wealth? I smell track covering. Information suppresion going on.


167 posted on 10/03/2017 5:18:33 AM PDT by jimjohn (2nd American Civil War: ongoing since January 20, 2017.)
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To: Biggirl

The powers that be.


168 posted on 10/03/2017 5:18:34 AM PDT by windowdude
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To: Lady Heron

The media and the left have to fight the ISIS angle. If it came out that this was the result of ISIS influence in US no one would fight the travel ban that Trump wants for safety. That would harm the leftist agenda to destroy America.


169 posted on 10/03/2017 5:19:06 AM PDT by nclaurel
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To: smileyface

Are you sure?


170 posted on 10/03/2017 5:19:43 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: skr

Leverage over time. Why is Trump a billionaire?


171 posted on 10/03/2017 5:19:43 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: yldstrk
This dude is a patsy for some enterprise.

It's Obama's fault!

172 posted on 10/03/2017 5:19:51 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs...same thing)
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To: SamAdams76

Also, I have never been on a forum where someone didn’t eventually say they know someone who knows someone that died at SH. Really? Not just this forum, any and all forums. Most of the parents names are listed, who did you personally know?


173 posted on 10/03/2017 5:20:54 AM PDT by magglepuss
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To: yldstrk

Killings by gun

Top countries

https://mobile.twitter.com/Timcast/status/915020114088652801/photo/1


174 posted on 10/03/2017 5:21:23 AM PDT by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her! Merry Christmas! In God We Trust! 4c)
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To: yldstrk

Thousands of rounds shot

And at his house


175 posted on 10/03/2017 5:22:52 AM PDT by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her! Merry Christmas! In God We Trust! 4c)
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To: spiderpig

bingo, we have a winner!


176 posted on 10/03/2017 5:23:44 AM PDT by yldstrk (Mys heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: knarf

Yeah, kind of “funny” we’ve not seen any CCTV footage from the hotel yet. There’s tons, I’m sure. These places are uber-wired.


177 posted on 10/03/2017 5:24:26 AM PDT by Maskot (Put every dem/lib in prison...like yesterday.)
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To: Biggirl
But sadly the Dems and the media will use it for their agenda.



A moment of silence for 59 dead; zero time for the approx. 3,300 that were killed Monday; will be today, and tomorrow and Thursday and...


Choice is PURE EVIL


178 posted on 10/03/2017 5:25:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: combat_boots

Well, maybe Venezuela


179 posted on 10/03/2017 5:25:53 AM PDT by yldstrk (Mys heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Regarding your >1 shooter theory, do available sound recordings support it as being possible?

Regarding the number of people being hit .... Approximately how long was the barrage - from the first shot to the last? If an automatic weapon was being used initially, when the crowd was most densely packed in, could not 600 people get hit, including a single bullet passing through one person and striking another?


180 posted on 10/03/2017 5:26:04 AM PDT by Susquehanna Patriot (Do Leftist/Liberals Really Believe That Dissent = Highest Form of Patriotism?)
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