[wardaddy]

Brothels were more open even in my 60s youth

I never thought playboy was porn

People who say that have a low threshold for what is porn

Hustler became porn as did Penthouse at the end

[gibsonguy]

Hefner was a disaster but if it wasn’t him surely someone else would have taken his place. The downward spiral seems inevitable.

[Snickering Hound]

Playboy was just Esquire with a photographed girl instead of pinup art.

Hefner's dream growing up was to work for them, he planned his high school and college work around that goal.

And then he got his dream job writing copy for them...and then they laughed him out of the office when he asked for a $5 a week raise.

He hated the name Playboy, he wanted to name his version of Esquire Stag Party, a terrible name and one that was already taken.

He also hated the rabbit logo and wanted to stick with the stag that he had for his idea for calling the magazine Stag Party but he came around when he saw it's success.