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Trouble in the Seventh Fleet: what may be behind Navy collisions
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | August 23, 2017 | Jason Thomson

Posted on 08/23/2017 4:29:32 PM PDT by Jagermonster

The unusual spate of collisions, two of them fatal, has called into question the US Navy’s level of preparedness, analysts say, and point to potential problems with training, maintenance, or sailors’ workload.

WASHINGTON—A recent spate of collisions involving US Navy ships from the Seventh Fleet, two of them fatal, has led the Navy to relieve that fleet’s commander, Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin, reportedly after his superiors lost confidence in his leadership.

The latest collision, Monday off the coast of Singapore, was between the guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain and a Liberian-flagged tanker. Ten sailors were reported missing, and the Navy says divers have located the remains of some of those missing in flooded compartments of the destroyer.

The mishap follows a similar tragedy in June, in which seven sailors died when the USS Fitzgerald collided with a merchant vessel south of Japan. That followed two less serious but nonetheless unusual incidents involving ships of the Pacific-based Seventh Fleet in January and May. According to analysts, the collisions call into question the Navy’s level of military preparedness and point to potential problems with training, maintenance, and the workload endured by sailors. What is going on? It could all be down to coincidence – Monday’s collision, for example, occurred in a heavily traveled shipping lane – and any final conclusions on their cause will have to await the results of multiple investigations. Nevertheless, many analysts agree there may be some systemic problems at work here.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 7thfleet; aucoin; budget; collision; navy; usnavy
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This is good substantive reporting - lots of facts and quotes regarding the problems in the Seventh Fleet. The "many experts" are actually identified and quoted. The general thrust of the article is that the Navy is being stretched pretty thin.

1 posted on 08/23/2017 4:29:33 PM PDT by Jagermonster
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One thing I found particularly interesting is that the Navy has shrunk over 25% since 1996. Per the article, there were 375 ships in 1996, and now there are 275.


2 posted on 08/23/2017 4:34:19 PM PDT by Jagermonster (TANSTAAFL)
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Have you seen some of the people joining the Navy lately? I have , and all I can say is wow how the hell did they graduate college, plus many of them have no respect for the military, and only want their handouts.
You can actually sit there at MEPS and guess which ones are joining what service today.


3 posted on 08/23/2017 4:35:01 PM PDT by manc ( If they want so called marriage equality then they should support polygamy too.)
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....and the Chinese are NOT responsible for hacking into US Navy navigational systems?.....sure! Just a freak series of accidents......sure!


4 posted on 08/23/2017 4:35:07 PM PDT by Trump_vs_Evil_Witch
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And how much money and time have been spent on social reengineering, training, and advancement based upon being the proper category and supporting Obama’s anti-readiness views?


5 posted on 08/23/2017 4:36:11 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Jagermonster

Russians! Russians..!

“Nah! You libs just blurt out the most conventient thing..!”

(2 Navy ship crash)

“Hacking..! It’s totally hacking..!!”


Are we really so much better..?

I’d say we are spending WAYYYY too much time on social marxism and stupid gender matters.

But it’s like Rahm said:

“Never let a crisis go to waste”

We should IMMEDIATELY terminate ALL social marxism/gender stuff in one single swoop.

This is a GIFT.


6 posted on 08/23/2017 4:37:09 PM PDT by gaijin
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Obamas admirals are having their impact. Between queers in the bridge, trannies in the engine room, and green algae fuel our ships are likely to sink each other before the enemy. Come on Mad Dog fix this shit already.


7 posted on 08/23/2017 4:38:53 PM PDT by Bonemaker
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[We should IMMEDIATELY terminate ALL social marxism/gender stuff in one single swoop.]

That would be a great idea.


8 posted on 08/23/2017 4:40:34 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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To: Jagermonster

US Naval ships frequently visit the Canadian naval base in Halifax, Nova Scotia. When they are on shore the amount of fraternization between sailors is extensive. This has to have some negative impact on the operational effectiveness.


9 posted on 08/23/2017 4:42:38 PM PDT by littleharbour
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America’s Navy: A Global Force for Good.

F()ck that. It’s our Navy.


10 posted on 08/23/2017 4:42:51 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (MAGA - DRAIN THE SWAMP ! - I love my online family of FReepers.)
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The BCA was an effort to address the nation’s deficit by imposing budget caps on both defense and nondefense parts of the discretionary budget for 10 years.

No, this was a successful effort by Obama to greatly degrade our military strength.

11 posted on 08/23/2017 4:43:18 PM PDT by libertylover (Fake News = Hate News)
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And how much money and time have been spent on social re-engineering, training, and advancement based upon being the proper category and supporting Obama’s anti-readiness views?

That's what I'm afraid of.

12 posted on 08/23/2017 4:44:50 PM PDT by FrogMom (The education system: The ongoing fundamental transformation!)
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I heard some wonk on John Batchelor’s radio show use the number 270 earlier this year.

He also noted you can keep all 270 at sea and in service at the same time.


13 posted on 08/23/2017 4:45:07 PM PDT by Nextrush (Freedom is everybody's business, Remember Pastor Niemoller)
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My Son quit the USN sub force after one 6-year hitch. He felt completely under-utilized for 6 months of the year, and the social engineering was complete B.S.


14 posted on 08/23/2017 4:45:10 PM PDT by pingman (More WINNING!)
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This is a GIFT.

If the Navy's investigation turns up that social engineering stuff was even part of the cause of these collisions, I agree that it would present the perfect opportunity to roll it back. "See - it doesn't work!" is usually a pretty persuasive argument. < / optimist >
15 posted on 08/23/2017 4:45:15 PM PDT by Jagermonster (TANSTAAFL)
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The helmsmen were busy attending sensitivity and diversity training instead of driving the boat?


16 posted on 08/23/2017 4:48:31 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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My immediate question was how much time did these crews spend in the last year on diversity and sexual harassment training, vs. crowded sea navigation and watchkeeping.


17 posted on 08/23/2017 4:48:54 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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One thing I found particularly interesting is that the Navy has shrunk over 25% since 1996. Per the article, there were 375 ships in 1996, and now there are 275.

And how much money and time have been spent on social reengineering, training, and advancement based upon being the proper category and supporting Obama’s anti-readiness views?

Oh, a bit more than 25% of the budget, and for an extended period of time...

18 posted on 08/23/2017 4:50:28 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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queers on the bridge, cross dressers in the engine rooms, and women becoming pregnant ,and now having to get a base deployment it not really working out. Well done obama you left another legacy of a screw up.


19 posted on 08/23/2017 4:50:42 PM PDT by manc ( If they want so called marriage equality then they should support polygamy too.)
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If they find it social engineering is involved in any of this they’re going to ignore it at all costs.


20 posted on 08/23/2017 4:52:53 PM PDT by ex91B10
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