Posted on 08/12/2017 9:56:03 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
I was shocked reading a number of posts today about the incident in Virginia, specifically about the car crash incident. It seems to some that that car crash was the entire sum of the protest.
Naturally it is now being used as a weapon against Conservatism, so it is necessary to begin to think clearly about what actually occurred and what we shouldn't be agreeing with the media on.
The Federales are even launching a "Civil Rights" investigation over what the media is calling an act of "terrorism":
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3576716/posts?page=18#18
When you have the Feds coming in to investigate whether civil rights were violated over a simple murder, at best, you know they and the Deep State are going full in to attack Conservatives and crush us completely. It is also telling us that BLM and ANTIFA represent a protected class of society that will receive EXTRA protection from the powers that be, over and above what can be expected to occur if one of US was injured or even killed by one of them. They have rights we simply do not have.
Take a look at this documentary on The Knockout Game, a "game" where whites were disproportionately targeted to be attacked for the sake of causing white people injury, and for no other reason:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1e0GVeS9pg
Now tell me something. Take the time to watch that one hour video.
Was there a single case where a white guy was sucker punched by a black guy, maybe even died from it, that the Feds jumped in and filed a civil rights charge? LOL
But get this: BLM can riot, Black Panthers can riot, La Raza can march and even spread straight up hate speech against white people as a race and the nation itself, but they can burn and loot for DAYS and STILL not have a single damn thing happen to them. No civil rights cases. No national guard (at least not right away). No shutting down a protest before it even begins after receiving federal permission to have it.
You need to understand this dynamic, and the only way we're going to be victorious here is if we: 1) point it out, 2) stop agreeing with the Left's characterizations of the event.
Let me be very clear. Assuming the Dodge driver wasn't insane or left wing, it was NOT an "act of terrorism." ANTIFA and BLM were getting into street fights with the White Nationalist folks after the police illegally declared the protest an "illegal assembly" and began funneling Nazis--people who think the holocaust didn't happen but should have--into crowds of BLM and ANTIFA who think little old ladies who vote Trump should be raped to death. Exactly what did the authorities expect to happen? There were people bloodied up pretty good on both sides. There were BLM people surrounding 1 or 2 people and smashing people in the head. There was a black guy with his face all bloody.
I'm not saying a deliberate charging of a car into people isn't murder, but it was clearly part of what was clearly a type of low level mutual warfare--parts of which were clearly the fault of the incompetent Democratic governor of Virginia and his leftwing henchmen in the city who decided that Nazis have no free speech rights.
This wasn't a Palestinian driving into a crowd of people on their way to work. Cars were being attacked by ANTIFA. Rocks thrown. Destruction and mayhem everywhere.
Folks, don't let the media milk this incident so they can brag about white people being terrorists for the next 6 months.
Problem with this is that it means the United States is a terrorist nation whenever it intervenes with "violence" in order to effect political change, even if its to put in a new political system for the sake of national security concerns.
My definition is still better: Anything that Muslims do against Non-Muslims.
It seems to me that would put antifa in the terrorist camp.
They're terrorists since they're basically Muslim gorillas, except they throw poo and attack old ladies instead of suicide bombings. Soon they will begin using guns though. There will be blood on the streets before long, then it'll be our turn to, umm, "use violence for political ends" to sort out the problem.
Tongue in cheek aside, the car-ramming wasn't terrorism because there's no evidence he ran the car into ANTIFA because he wanted to vote out Virginia's Clintonista governor. There are better and more likely possibilities.
Assuming he didn't have a reason to do it.
But if he didn't have a reason, I'm thinking his actions constitute more of a misdemeanor.
That’s very strange. More than likely the video is just not buffering for you, since the first part of the video is just a blank black screen, then it takes you to a warning, then the video itself.
Try closing and reopening your browser.
If it still doesn’t work, go to youtube and just search for “Car Plows Through a crowd of protesters in Charlottesville” by someone with the first name Ahmet, or something arabic.
Disagree. This was terrorism, DOMESTIC terrorism not ISLAMIC. But what caused all of this? Ask the City Council there. Most people have no idea what the trigger was for this violence. They are focused on the result, not the cause. You cannot fix a result, you can only fix a cause.
“United States is a terrorist nation”
The statutes are written in the context of an individual or group that are not officially operating under a sovereign state’s orders.
So no, the US defeating the germans in WWII was not a terrorist act, nor is the US clandestine operations characterized as such. There are plenty on the left that want to frame it that way, but I don’t.
I agree that terrorism is not the only option for the driver. If his only intent was to attack counter protesters because of what they believed they’d have their case.
But if he was swarmed by a mob or was pissed because someone attacked him previously, he’d have a good out for that particular charge.
Nevertheless, since I have a right to protest, that means others, government or individual, have no right to prevent my protest. Doing so is a civil liberty violation. My protest would have to be “legal”, in the sense I can’t block traffic w/o prior permit yada yada.
And if that right applies to me, it applies to the alt right. So if antifa showed up to interfere, not just have a protest of their own, it’s a violation. It seems to me that that is the case here.
It's only terrorism if you can prove he ran into the crowd because he: 1) Wasn't under attack, 2) Wasn't crazy and had a mental delusion, 3) Had the specific intent of striking fear into the hearts of ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter for political purposes.
If number 3 can be proved, he deserves a medal and not a prison sentence.
“What kind of idiot would think running over people would be a good idea”
The guy drove all the way down from Ohio. 20 years old and probably let very bad emotions take him over and did a very terrible foolish thing.
Who would willingly insert themselves into a demonstration between neo Nazis and Black Panther types?
Two violent groups of leftists clashing with each other will always have a very bad outcome.
I don’t know why the driver did what he did. Some have suggested that he was being menaced by some people in the crowd as he was driving by. The available video evidence doesn’t show what happened concerning the vehicle prior to it speeding into the crowd.
On no uncertain terms, however, does anything that happened leading up to the incident justify the what the video evidence that I did see shows. Yes, there were some people in the crowd armed with sticks and bats and possibly other things. But there were many more unarmed, carrying flags or simply chanting who were also run down in this indiscriminate act.
I don’t see why this should have larger meaning to me or conservatives or anyone even slightly sympathetic toward the protest who are rational and do not condone political violence, beyond grief for the innocent people who were killed or injured during the totality of the protest event. People on either side of the divide who somehow feel justified in hurting others for what they believe are not my consorts, my friends, nor people I feel any affection toward or affinity with. They are not my fellow countrymen.
It’s true that there is a lot of injustice in our world, and yes, this event is something that the unscrupulous political elements of our society will try to use to quell dissent. We cannot combat that by attempting to rationalize what the driver of that car did. We should express our heartfelt grief for all of the innocent victims from the protest and resist their attempts to paint us all with the same broad brush by banding together speaking loud and clear in one voice that what happened at the protest has nothing to do with us.
We don’t know that he intended anything beyond getting the hell out of there.
Looked like he was accelerating toward the crowd.
“........ investigate whether civil rights were violated over a simple murder..........”
Seems the court needs to decide if the incident was “murder”, as suggested. Guess we no longer need “innocent until proven guilty”, all we have to do is read some journalists story and it becomes fact.
These are ANTIFA. The flags they were waving were communist ANTIFA flags. Their stated purpose was to silence the other side. They talk about it all the time on their websites and openly declare their intent to cause severe bodily injury where ever possible. That's why they even had medics on the scene, as seen even in that very video, as they were prepared for actually engaging in a street battle. There was even a guy using a spray bottle as a flamethrower. There were people cornered by ANTIFA, just like that crowd, who got beaten. Notice all their bagpacks? Those aren't used for storing protest banners. It's where they keep their pepper spray, bricks, bottles full of feces, etc.
You might say, "but you can't prove EVERY one of them was there to fight." If you're hanging around a bunch of communists who glorify violence, you're either retarded or in with them.
beyond grief for the innocent people who were killed or injured during the totality of the protest event
Only one person died. She died because she tried to climb on to the back of his Dodge after he rammed into the crowd. She was joining her friends who were smashing the car. Unfortunately she was not as nimble as her friends, or else she disregarded instructions. The car said DODGE on it, not JUMP RIGHT AT IT.
People who are surrounded can accelerate forward. People in a panic can acclerate forward.
“........ assuming he didn’t hyperventilate and mash the gas pedal. In which case it’s a car crash again.”.
Precisely. There are a number of possibilities as to WHY the tragic event occurred. Before we go ahead with mob violence and hang the driver, let’s wait until a real “guilty as charged” verdict comes down from a court. Apparently several Police officers on the scene claim the driver was scared. Lets see who is right or not before we pick a hanging tree.
It’s so simple of a point, but so many around here don’t seem to get it.
We really shouldn’t be letting the media play judge and jury, and then let them get away with shaming us for not agreeing with their stupidity.
“let’s see what the police find.”
There is not going to be a whole lot of searching.
But, after the police, the DA, the jury, the federal prosecutor, and federal jury do their finding, the accused is going to be locked-up for lifetimes.
Forward is easier than backward.He may have been bent on mayhem or he may have been trying to get out of Dodge before he got pulled out of his car. That is not something that is apparent from the reports so far. Everyone from left to right seems to have leapt to the same conclusion and that is to crucify him so the Libs will think we are sensitive or something.
Everyone from left to right seems to have leapt to the same conclusion and that is to crucify him so the Libs will think we are sensitive or something.
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I don’t care if libs find me sensitive or not. I have seen enough video to have my own opinion.
This demonstration and the counter-demonstration were a put up job. Apparently the White Nationalists and the Antifas were hired by the same producer. I take nothing on first impressions from this. I would prefer to see how it plays out, whether the driver is actually charged, whether he pleads or insists on a trial, whether there is an immediate appeal,etc. None of this looks or smells right.
I think GPH makes a valid point here, at least in so much as it’s too early to tell one way or the other if this is an act of “terrorism”.
It’s correct to say terrorism is not by definition any act of violence only Muslims do for political reasons. I think it was Plummz who gave the correct definition of terrorism upthread, which is “any act of violence in furtherance of a political agenda”. There’s no doubt that in the last 10 years at least the vast majority of terrorism has been on the part of Muslims but that doesn’t mean all terrorism is Islamic.
With that said though it’s possible this is not an act of terrorism, and is either an act of a man in fear for his life (unlikely) or a crime of passion. “Premeditation” is key here and something for his and the state’s lawyers to argue about, if necessary.
It’s possible that the man feared for his life after being trapped in a crowd throwing rocks at his car and panicked, flooding the accelerator, mowing people down in front of him then panicked again realizing what he’d done and threw it in reverse to try to get away. This theory might be supported by the fact that he surrendered peacefully (as far as I understand) once he was out of danger.
It’s also possible that after being hit by one rock, or maybe even one person just hitting his car with their hand or a protest sign, he snapped, mowed people over in a fit of rage, then threw it in reverse in a desperate attempt to get away when he realized what he’d done. This might also be supported by the fact he surrendered peacefully. This wouldn’t be terrorism though as terrorism really, I’d argue, by definition requires premeditation. And one second of snapping into rage is not premeditation it’s a crime of passion.
Again these are all facts that need to be sorted out in the courts. If, in the next day or two the man pleads guilty accepting a lesser charge of involuntary manslaughter or some such we can know it wasn’t terrorism but a crime of passion or panic that escalated horribly, as described above. But if it can be shown the man was some kind of Neo Nazi or had some other similar history, and that rocks were never thrown at his car or there’s no other evidence he could have felt his life was in immediate danger then it actually could be terrorism. But again true premeditation must be shown as well.
It should be trivial to show evidence of rock damage on the car they have the car as well they can examine it for such damage. If it exists the man should be given the benefit of the doubt on this in my opinion after all that’s what our criminal justice system is all about.
The point is it’s too early to tell one way or the other. I thus fully support the president’s statements on the incident, and hope he doesn’t fall into the same hype surrounding it, driven by the leftist media and their wretched desire to label this a “hate crime” or “terrorism” so they may finally achieve their evil desire of labeling all conservatives as terrorists (despite all the stories in recent months and even weeks of violence perpetrated by leftists).
I’m disappointed Sen. Cruz has gone this route. I don’t know why he’d be so eager to label it terrorism, when all the facts aren’t in and in doing so only helps the leftists.
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