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To: rx; butterdezillion

Fascinating, fascinating post. Thanks for the ping; I read every word.

As an aside, Butter, I can now answer your question. In the image I saw of what I continue to maintain was a dead Fuddy, she was wearing an adult life jacket. Seeing the pic in this post made that clear. The life jacket in the now-unfindable pic showed Fuddy’s face enveloped by a life jacket. It had to be adult-sized to produce that effect.

Rx, you said you welcomed honest questions. I hope you meant it. I have one I’ve been dying to ask.

Namely, why keep Fuddy alive?? What’s the advantage??

Though I’m no expert on such things, it seems to me that once they had her in the water, death would not be so hard to arrange. Are there not drugs that work adversely on the heart? Could she not have been given one in advance?

Once she’s dead, all worries are over. She will never spill any beans. The threat/risk is over.

You might suggest an autopsy would show something amiss. To that I would say, anyone with the resources to arrange a crash landing, engine substitution, etc, can arrange either an undetectable means of death or an autopsy disinterested in finding anomalies. That seems self evident.

An alive Fuddy would be a never ending risk. She might get tired of exile. She might decide she wanted to return to a lifestyle she’d obviously enjoyed. Or one of the almost innumerable persons involved in such a cover up might decide to leak.

If she’s dead, she’s dead. No threat ever again. As I pointed out, that is the Deep State MO. Quash a threat once and for all.

The risk, trouble and expense of keeping Fuddy alive somewhere would be totally superfluous. Just kill her in the water, and all the loose ends get tied off once and for all. That is the simple explanation. The other is too complicated by orders of magnitude.


132 posted on 08/13/2017 1:18:44 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
Hope [I] meant it? Ah! I'm cut to the quick! :) What's the advantage to allowing Fuddy to live? Unlike what you said, I don't think all worries are over when she might go. The bean-spilling risk is gone if she's gone from public accessibility, irrespective of whether she's gone to meet her maker.

More likely than not, Fuddy is possibly connected to BHO via the Subud Organization. Loretta Fuddy acted as the Subud USA national chairperson from 2006-2008, while she was based in Seattle. (Offices in Seattle, Chicago, Honolulu and the DC area, among many other locales.) Stanley Ann Dunham (SAD) was said to be a member of Subud while the Soetoro family lived in Indonesia. The strongest single link for that thesis may only be a picture of a Subud meeting in which Dunham is claimed, inconclusively, to appear (back row, fifth from left). SAD, however, was also known to live in Seattle, where there has long been a Subud House, a mere nine-minute walk from where Dunham lived. Fuddy may have been a friend of SAD and conceivably could have been an acquaintance of SAD's mother, "Toot".

Thus, 1) possible Dunham picture at a Subud meeting, 2)Dunham lived 9 minute walk from the Seattle Subud house, 3) "coincidence" of former Subud chairperson Fuddy's appointment to a position tasked with procuring BHO's certificate. 4) only 5-year age difference 5) Indonesian intersection for both Subud and Dunham/BHO. Conceivably, BHO could have met Fuddy in Seattle.

Dunham and Fuddy were said to differ 5 years in age, with Fuddy being the younger. Dunham did receive a doctorate in anthropology. Though the Director of the HDOH was customarily a medical doctor, Fuddy does not have such a degree. One website (1 below), refers to Fuddy as "Dr. Fuddy."

In the '60's, then-President Sukharno called the Subud out publicly as a CIA-front organization. Suharto overthrew Sukharno to become Indonesia's second President in a bloody 1965-67 coup that left half a million people dead. It has been noted that Lolo Soetoro was (or would become) a high-ranking military man in support of Suharto after Soetoro spent time working on a degree in geography at Honolulu's East-West Center (which has been possibly linked to the CIA 2) and where he was said to have met Dunham.

After experiencing Toot's death just before he took office, there may have been suspicion surrounding Obama concerning anything that might be considered a politically-motivated death. BHO notoriously said May 15, 2013 "we're gonna punish our enemies and we're going to reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us." There could be no more loyal friend in that context than Ms. Fuddy. If there were another (actual) death (that could remotely be considered a murder) among the crowd that otherwise fit BHO's "friend" category, there might well be repercussions that would keep BHO's operatives from being as loyal as he would certainly want them to be.

Fuddy knew "where the bodies were buried" (figuratively). She may well have kept the LFBC procurement issues all to herself, perhaps even as insurance for just such a circumstance as her exit from public awareness. If she were gone, and someone started apparently proving they were involved the forgery, who would know otherwise? With Fuddy alive in the background, he can separate that wheat from chaff for anyone that might otherwise think more voices need to be silenced (unnecessarily).

Fuddy was involved in a number of shady document forgeries. The same reasoning would apply to possible undesired disclosures there.

Twenty days before the crash, Sheriff Joe and the CCP were claiming to have "universe shattering evidence" of which the Deep State had surely long been aware, involving the Intelligency Community, Dennis Montgomery, and "The Hammer." Fuddy almost certainly would have been in on all that. Her mindshare would not be a good thing to just snuff out.

Similar to what you said, I would agree that anybody who can plant a $2B submarine nearby as its divers wreak minor mayhem can fix an autopsy as easily as a parking ticket. The book discusses that all in needed detail, however.

I don't think she'll tire of exile, knowing the Toot example. With a makeover, money, and surely several other Catholic church choirs to visit, she could be good for a long time.

What I think you're missing, however, is that she is a member of the Deep State, not some external pawn. Other Deep State folk would watch what really happens to her as an example for their own care/life under the system of the elites. Expense? Are kidding? Did you not notice that P&WC coughed up? Any need for replenishment there could be accomplished in a single line item on an otherwise-unnoticed government contract.

Too complicated? Did you not notice the calling cards of the submarine and a swapped engine? Nothing is too expensive or too complicated. They're proving to any spook, insider or wannabee that there's nothing they can't wave their magic wands to do. They work out of bravado, not out of fear of being found out.

So, all-in-all, why not let her live and keep the possible benefits of knowing important information rather than needlessly snuffing it out? Other friends of Barry would be happy to know the Deep State didn't kill her and thus, continue to carry water for Barry, where an actual killing could have seen intelligence dry up. I think the video may well have been commissioned to be able, in part, to "prove" no one killed her. Fuddy's assistant would appear to take the blame, as he said she died shortly before she drifted away from him." (How he could let that happen, supposedly without calling for reinforcement from all the other plane occupants is inexplicable to me, but we already know Fuddy had exited the area while everyone was still around, so that part just never happened.) But the assistant had Father Killelea vouching and speaking for him on camera (lest anyone see through the assistant's body language, I suspect). (The assistant also was allowed to see his lawsuit settled "favorably.")

1 https://accidentalpatriot4.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/see-how-loretta-fuddy-was-murdered-photos-beyond-frightening/

2 https://www.1776channel.com/2015/02/26/us/exclusive-hawaii-official-who-certified-white-house-certificate-of-live-birth-and-mother-of-twins-who-claimed-to-remember-president-obamas-birth-both-tied-to-us-government-eugenic-3/

138 posted on 08/13/2017 4:43:54 PM PDT by rx (Truth Will Out!)
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To: Fantasywriter

The loose ends don’t get tied up if Fuddy is actually dead. Fuddy knows who did what. She knows who needs to be silenced. Without that knowledge, a lot of surprises could show up. It only takes one person going rogue - like Edward Snowden - to screw up the whole thing.

Everybody on that plane knew there was no engine failure. Everybody in the water knew there were divers and equipment there. It was all planned in advance. In fact, somebody from the island had seen Fuddy that morning in Honolulu as they both awaited the flight to Kalaupapa and told Fuddy she should not take the flight back to Honolulu that afternoon - as if she knew there was an “accident” planned. I suspect that a LOT of people knew what was planned.

I don’t think that Fuddy would have agreed to a plot to kill her, and I don’t think that the other passengers would agree to take part in a plot to kill her.

I believe the whole thing was justified by the HI AG as necessary to PRESERVE her life. And it may well be that she offered to be fake-killed, knowing the other option was to be real-killed. To be real-killed would look fishy, whereas everybody would think this dramatic plane crash is too hard to be faked. So being fake-dead would benefit both Fuddy and the regime.

This way also allowed the family to know she was OK AND allowed their silence to be bought. Not only is there the “carrot” of financial gain, but there is also the “stick” that they could lose their “cover story indemnity” if they ever went back on their part of the agreement - and could end up actually paying for the fraud, perjury, and other crimes committed. That’s a good way to keep people silent - AND keep them from potentially suing if they knew that Fuddy really WAS dead.

Part of the thing with Montgomery, Petraeus, etc is a pattern that we need to understand: the deep state uses people who either are compromised already or who can be compromised. That’s what the NSA virus/trojan/ breaches/fingerprints are all about. They can plant whatever they have to plant in order to make a potential whistleblower “non-credible”, or to threaten being framed/charged/imprisoned if the potential whistleblower decides to blow the whistle.

I got a taste of that when “someone” responded to my post about the deep state’s ability to alter written history via altering/planting emails... by suggesting that child porn would be found on my husband’s computer. I was on vacation and desperately calling the church IT people to try to cauterize his computer so that nothing could be planted while we were gone.... That’s what these creeps do. They can make a “guilty” person out of ANYBODY. It’s what they tried to do to Sharyl Attkisson by planting classified records on her computer.

If a plan can automatically make the participants criminal, it means that they can be kept afraid to come forward. If Fuddy was really dead, her family would NOT have taken part in the hoax AND they would not have to fear coming forward about what happened. So the regime would have to deal with people who actually loved Fuddy and might not watch her be off-ed without giving a peep.

Remember, early on Louis Fuddy commented that the autopsy was fishy because his sister was not a weak-nerved person. To me that suggested that he - unlike Fuddy’s sister who took part in the hoax - did not know what had really happened. But after that he filed (and won out-of-court so that nobody could know who paid him what) a lawsuit against everybody but the pilot (who is the one who would be criminally liable if Fuddy was actually dead - and who in discovery might have balked at lying in a court of law...), and from then on he played the part the Obama regime wanted him to play...


147 posted on 08/13/2017 9:03:27 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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