Flake extends his attacks on Trump and the GOP — all the way back to the dawn of birtherism

WaPo ^ | August 6, 2017 | Avi Selk

[Seizethecarp]

But Sunday, as he promoted his book on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Flake took his assault on Trumpism back years further — all the way to the pre-dawn of Trump’s political rise, to “when the birtherism thing was going on,” as Flake put it to host Chuck Todd.

“Some people did stand up, but not enough,” the senator said. “That was particularly ugly.”

“Did you do enough?” Todd asked.

Flake smiled. “On that, I think I did.”

Flake was a congressman in 2011, when Trump flirted with a presidential run against President Barack Obama.

The current president did so “spouting all sorts of Four-Pinocchio innuendo that had long ago been debunked,” as The Washington Post wrote at the time.

Trump wrote a letter to the editor in the New York Times, for example, advancing a host of bogus evidence against Obama’s birth in the United States and, thus, his legitimacy to occupy the White House.

[humblegunner]

Oh! There was the Fuddy dummy in the too-small casket.
Yeah, that was made-up. These aren’t little details
that were just mistakes, these are huge fake assumptions
that toss all the rest of your “suppositions” into doubt.

Yep, walking a fine line, me.

[butterdezillion]

“Fabricated” means altering evidence. I have NEVER, EVER altered evidence. Unlike the NTSB.

I have made mistakes in analysis, such as not realizing that Word uses rectangular grid lines instead of square gridlines, and when I was shown that I explained what I realized I had done wrong, retracted what I said and apologized. Unlike the NTSB or a whole multitude of posters here.

There were divers in the water. Absolutely no doubt of that. The fact that the plane’s engine was swapped out is without question, given the dozens of mismatched cuts on the engine that was pulled out of the water, the examined engine showing damage from an intense fire that was impossible in this situation, and the plane having recessed screws but the gear that was brought up having protruding screws. Jerome Corsi says that somebody from the salvage company said the engine was cut apart with a machine.

So it is YOU who are screwing up here.

But anybody watching, notice the same tactic used by HG here as was used by 4zoltan. Both post “evidence” that supposedly proves what a wrong idiot I am, when in reality the things that they mention prove my point.

They count on me not being able to correct the record every time they do it, which might also account for why I was not pinged during the discussion about my supposed “nuttiness”. Gang up in teams and chat together about how crazy somebody is, mentioning stuff you claim is “evidence” of the craziness, and count on most people not knowing that the “evidence” cited means the exact opposite of what the disinformation ministers claim.

People, see how Alinsky is alive and well, and how it covers itself in supposed “conservative” sheep’s clothing in places like FR. This stuff needs to be exposed. It is killing this country. People, ask yourself how we got here and then behold what is in front of your eyes.

Fantasywriter, the whole issue is character defamation so that everybody will be afraid to address real evidence because it might end up supporting some “nutty conspiracy theory”. This is also why HG is on a rampage against any news sources/analysis besides the government-approved propaganda that calls itself the “mainstream media”.

What Sharyl Attkisson’s first-hand source said about presidential directives ordering crimes and “cover story indemnity” for the perps means that the whole system is set to defame truth-seekers. That is the purpose. The US military has disinformation black ops; they acknowledge that. Do you think for a moment that “disinformation ops” cause no damage to the reputations and/or livelihoods of those who seek the truth? The federal government is a RICO organization tasked with defamation and libel of truth-seekers, if it’s not possible for them to obfuscate and sandbag them to death first.

Until people like the FR folks realize how this game works, America will keep losing. Real evidence will go nowhere because of the psy-ops doo-doo going on right here and elsewhere. Yes, Congress is lily-livered, but their excuse for it is right here on FR. So-called “conservatives” no longer have an evidence-based approach to life. Instead, it’s all about which evidence will be acceptable to their social image. In that setting, truth dies. And where truth dies, everything that is good and right dies too.

Please, people, just think about it. This game is far messier than most of the ridiculing “cool kids” will ever acknowledge - you know, the ones who sit on the sideline and ridicule or nitpick over the people down in the mud wrestling it out for this nation’s survival.

[humblegunner]

This is also why HG is on a rampage against any news sources/analysis besides the government-approved propaganda that calls itself the “mainstream media”.

Meh.

It pays the bills.

[Fantasywriter]

Thanks for including me in your ping/post. First let me say that while hg can be tough with his words, at least he’s a conservative. That puts him leagues ahead of 4z, who is an unreconstituted Obot—and not even one of the more rational ones, in point of fact.

Butter, I doubt anyone studied the frogmen pics any more closely than I did. Some of the stills did suggest frogmen, but only until they were explained. Each and every pic was explained to the point that I simply couldn’t believe in the frogmen. I know you do but in good faith I can’t.

I have no problem believing the engine was swapped. It’s been a while, but at some point I read evidence that persuaded me of that likelihood. Nothing has changed.

When it comes to Fuddy, all I can tell you is what I saw. I saw a pic of her floating dead in the water, still wearing her life jacket. It was a moment of horror for me. All I could think, as I stared, was, ‘Death’s Head.’ It gave me the willies. (Apologies to anyone related to Fuddy who might read this. It’s not perhaps sensitively worded, but it’s the truth.)

I reiterate what I said before. I know you are an honest Christian. If you say that you and your family were poisoned, I believe it. You have evidently uncovered some fact that wasn’t meant to be uncovered. I hope and pray that you and yours stay safe. As the Seth Rich case shows only too clearly, there is a great risk in exposing the deep state.

[humblegunner]

But anybody watching, notice the same tactic used by HG here as was used by 4zoltan. Both post “evidence” that supposedly proves what a wrong idiot I am

No, sweetiebuns. I presented no evidence.
I simply pointed out that your "evidence" is
fabricated to lead to a conclusion that you reached
before you started the hunt for "evidence".

You start out trying to prove something and only accept
"evidence" from nutcase blogs that supports your "conclusion".

You can't get great big things totally wrong and still be taken seriously.

You'll never be Orly Taitz and you ought to be thankful.

[butterdezillion]

We can disagree over what was seen in the images. The clearer NTSB footage helps clear up some things and illuminates some other problematic things. Apparently Fuddy’s pants did bubble up as her legs churned. I haven’t had the time to look more closely to see if there is context that explains other things that I saw in the images so I can’t say for sure. The video was heavily edited so “context” is a relative term.

The audio evidence of no engine failure, the confirmation of military equipment on the wing and in the water (all of which had to be put there by SOMEBODY within minutes of the ditching), the proofs of the engine being changed out, etc... is all confirmed by people with much better experience, knowledge, and credentials than I have. I aimed to pass the baton to more capable hands and the Lord provided exactly what was needed so that could happen. In this context, my mistakes or confusion over what was in the video are irrelevant.

One of the “victims” (the same one who said the ground was “squishy” there) has acknowledged that one of the people right next to the plane in the video was not one of the people publicly known to have been on the plane. So even one of the witnesses there that day has acknowledged that there were extra people in the water while everybody was still next to the plane.

His comment was that we better have a good lawyer if we wanted to make anything of it. Strongly suggesting that very high-powered lawyers would be brought on to take us to the mat if we did anything actionable. Now who would have high-powered lawyers at their disposal, and why would they want to take us to the mat for simply affirming the acknowledged truth that there were extra people on-site IMMEDIATELY, before any rescuers arrived?

And why would those witnesses stand by and watch those who have noticed the truth be defamed and libeled, without correcting the record?

The life jacket you saw that had Fuddy floating dead in it - was it the fully-inflated adult life jacket that she had on in the video, or was it the partially-inflated infant jacket that the USCG pulled out of the water with “Fuddy” in it?

Thank you for believing my honesty and my Christianity. There can be honest disagreement over some things without assaulting the character of the other, but that certainly doesn’t serve the purposes of the Alinsky crowd.

The truth about HG will eventually be known. The roles of other freepers will also eventually be known.

[humblegunner]

The truth about HG will eventually be known.

And upon that day you will bow before my blinding brilliance.

Until then, you're just making shit up.

[Fantasywriter]

Thanks for that reply. I’m stepping out at the moment, but I will answer ASAP. I’ll try to locate the exact pic of Fuddy that I’m talking about then. That should clear up the life jacket question.

[4Zoltan]

"You show one picture of an SDV that’s a certain size and imply that it’s proof that there are no others that are a different size."

No, Butter, I never showed a picture of anything.

You and your cohort showed a picture of an Advanced Seal Delivery System vehicle and you guys wrote on the image "Swimmer Delivery Vehicle approximately 50' x 8' x 6' ." I only pointed out that the Advanced Seal Delivery System vehicle was according to the US Navy 65' x 6.75' x 8.25'. And I pointed out that the vehicle you pictured and measure with your scientific calculations was a one-of-a-kind prototype that was destroyed by fire in 2008 and never replaced. It's not my fault that you guys screwed up. Don't blame the messenger.

"The official (embossed) seal of the HDOH is only to be used by the director. It is bigger than the seal that the registrar uses on his certifications. That official seal is only to be used next to the DIRECTOR’s signature. "

There is only one official seal for the Department of Health. As the statute says it can be enlarged or reduced in size for certificates. The seal that Dr. Onaka uses on birth certificates is the official seal of the Department of Health. Nowhere does it say the Registrar is limited to that seal and only that seal.

"You also seem to think that if Rosa and Puentes had a cushion nearby once then they had it nearby always. "

Not once but throughout the 16 minute video. Rosa has one at 7:30, 10:45 and 13:20. And Puentes has one at 9:50 and 14:20.

Your problem is you look at one frame of a picture and say "that hand in the picture can't be Rosa, Puentes or Jake, therefore it must be a manikin." But if you had looked at the frames before it you would have seen it was Yamamoto's hand. You do that every time. You look for details and miss the rest of the picture.

[x]

WaPo reporter failed to do minimum journalistic investigation that would reveal that a top EU lab and a top HI document examiner declared White House BC a forgery.

So far as I could find out, Mike Zullo said somebody at Forlab said the birth certificate was a fake, but has anybody actually come up with their report?

The suspicion is: if there actually was an investigation and a report it didn't reveal what Zullo said it would, so he didn't make it public.

Maybe I missed something, but if years go by without the evidence being produced maybe something was wrong with the claim to begin with.

[x]

It isn't an English word, it is French, and the only place in the world where it didn't mean "city dweller" was Switzerland.

The Word "Citizen" itself clearly demonstrates that Jefferson copied it's usage from Vattel. In 1776, the normal word to describe someone as a member of a nation state was "Subject."

At the time, no one used the word "Citizen" to mean member of a Nation State except for Switzerland, a Republic since 1370.

No. You can also find the word "citoyen" (citizen) used by French Enlightenment thinkers to mean "a member of a free society with many families, who shares in the rights of this society, and who benefits from these freedoms." It did not necessarily refer to a resident of a city. And this was before Vattel published his book.

[Fred Nerks]

PERHAPS THERE'S A SIMPLE REASON WHY THE SAME NUMBER APPEARS ON BOTH AIRCRAFT?

N687MA (msn 208B1002), one of the two Makani Kai Air's Cessna C208B Grand Caravans ditched in the waters a half-mile from LUP around 15:45HST. According to news reports, one of the eight passengers died. Some passengers were rescued by the Maui Fire Department, and the US Coast Guard also rescued some of the passengers. One of those on board, swam back to shore. The Grand Caravan went down shortly after take-off from LUP. The passenger that perished in the crash was Hawai‘i Department of Health Director Loretta Fuddy.

MAKANI-KAI CARAVAN DITCHES.SOURCE

AIRPIX SOURCE

10 Years at Field Aviation - The Album

N687MA CASA 212 of Murray Aviation

May 2000 - Field Aviation Ramp Toronto International Airport

Might be nothing, but it's always made me wonder, are light aircraft id numbers recycled/duplicated?

[4Zoltan]

Yes they are.

Enter N687MA and you get both results.

http://aviationdb.net/aviationdb/AircraftQuery#SUBMIT

[Seizethecarp]

The two experts (Forlab and Reed Hayes) are “Daubert qualified” (able to withstand a Daubert challenge in court) and Arpaio is withholding the contents of the reports as opposed to the conclusions of the experts that the BC of forged pending finding a prosecutor or a congressional committee willing to go forward.

See:

EVIDENCE OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE ‘FAKE’ HEADING TO CONGRESS

http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-obama-birth-certificate-fake-heading-to-congress/

[Fred Nerks]

That cleared that question up nicely, thanks!

[butterdezillion]

One witness has admitted that the ground there was “squishy”. That blows your whole theory to bits. You won’t even acknowledge that.

The same witness also admitted that one of the people seen near the plane very early in the video is none of the people on the plane’s manifest. Again, that blows all your protests to bits but you as yet won’t even acknowledge that information. If anybody else is watching at this point, can you see why I say it’s pointless even talking to these trolls?

The official seal is defined as 2 1/4” and embossed. It CANNOT be changed in size. Reproductions of its image can be made to put on stationery, forms, etc, but the OFFICIAL SEAL is defined in the statute as 2 1/4” in diameter and embossed near the director’s signature.

What Onaka uses does not have a star between the upper and lower banks of words, as the statute defines the OFFICIAL DOH SEAL as having. It has a dot. It is also not 2 1/4” as the statute defines the OFFICIAL DOH SEAL as being.

You are talking out of your behind - once again citing the statutes as if they support what you’re saying when in fact they disprove what you’re saying. Same M.O. EVERY TIME. Do you never get sick of this stupid game?

Never showed a picture of anything? There you go revising history again. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3566012/posts?page=90#90 You posted images of the LaJolla without an SDV and acted as if that was some great proof. Your “reasoning” is that if it didn’t have an SDV in those public images then it must never have an SDV for covert operations and we must have been liars for saying that the LaJolla is equipped with a bay for a Seal Delivery Vehicle (as the Navy says directly on one of their images).

Just give it up. Everybody can see what you are doing. You are way out of your league.

The LaJolla is equipped with a bay for a Seal Delivery Vehicle and was ordered into the area north of Molokai right before this planned water ditching. We found that out after the Navy had altered our requests, changed their wording and wouldn’t clarify whether their wording matched the meaning we had used in our request, outright lied, and ultimately given us a record with the “ZULU” notation removed (without showing it as redacted) in order to try to make it show the exact opposite of what it actually showed.

One of the witnesses has acknowledged at least one person in Puentes’ video being near the plane very early after the ditching who was not on the manifest. That doesn’t happen unless the event was planned in advance.

A witness from the salvage company has said the engine was cut from the rest of the plane with a machine, and the photos the NTSB originally showed to the above witness clearly showed dozens of mismatched cuts - cuts which were blurred in the NTSB’s final report, after we notified them of this evidence. Instead of investigating - including getting subpoenas and charging the salvor, pilot, etc with obstruction of justice and other crimes - they stuck with their story and simply tried to fudge the images so nobody would notice. A lotta laws broken - grounds for a lot of criminal prosecutions - and yet nobody was at all concerned about that, and nothing (as of yet) has happened to them. Sounds an awful lot like “cover story indemnity” to me... It happened in the NTSB, the FAA, the Navy, the Coast Guard, Maui County Police Dept... Who could offer cover story indemnity for all those entities? Only Barack Hussein Obama, in a presidential directive kept confidential for “national security” purposes. (spit)

In the video it is easy to see that the ditching was not 1/2 mile off shore. The Radar-Associated Sector Three audio shows that the Molokai tower had (radar?) visuals on where the landing was - 300 yards from the end of Runway 5. Why did they say that this happened 1/2 mile out? Because that put it within the exclusive jurisdiction of the FBI, who was headed at that time by....... drum roll..... James Comey. The same guy who took Dennis Montgomery’s evidence of Brennan and Clapper’s criminal spying and database altering, and BURIED IT. The guy is up to his skull in crimes to cover the illegal, criminal a$$ of Obama and his owners. This story is tied to all the criminal deep-state players.... only this time, it all points directly to Barack Hussein Obama, the only person who could offer cover-story indemnity to people within all those separate federal, military, state, and local agencies.

Fantasywriter, I think if you see what was truly going on here, who it involves, and what it is evidence of, you will understand why this was such a big deal to the people who have power to order criminal activities like killing or maiming people (with cover story indemnity) and deleting emails at the server level. These people claim their powers are for “national security” but this story blows that all out of the water (no pun intended). They use those powers to achieve their own criminal purposes and to make sure that those who shine a light on their criminal purposes and activities end up dead or as good as dead.

People, this is not some - tee hee - crazy conspiracy. This is reality biting us in the butt. Wake up before it’s too late, if it’s not already too late. The deep state is a RICO organization, using all the powers of the federal government to commit crimes against the US Constitution and her people.

[4Zoltan]

Where did I get those images Butter? From you and your cohort.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3428362/replies?c=257

See the top one where you miscalculated the length of the Advanced Seal Delivery System vehicle. You guys said it was 50’ long. It’s not. It was 65’ long. Just an example of your fine scientific calculations. And it was the only one and it was destroyed by fire in 2008.

So why did you guys present it and measure it in the first place? Unless it was to deceive people into buy your crap book?

A real patriot would give the book away for free.

Cite the Hawaiian statute that describes the magic unicorn Onaka seal.

Nowhere in Hawaii law is the Dr. Onaka seal described. So according to your theory, Dr. Onaka can put on his seal whatever he wants. He can change it from day to day. Put a different emoji face on it depending on his mood.

That’s insane. The seal that Dr. Onaka places on Hawaiian birth certificates is the official seal of the Department of Health. It has to be.

All of those same witness say the engine died. That blows your theory to bits.

[Fantasywriter]

‘Cite the Hawaiian statute that describes the magic unicorn Onaka seal.’

You sound like a two year old. That’s the mark of a true moonbat: they sound like young children.

Do your fellow moonbats applaud you for making childish comments? Do they egg you on? They must love it; you would hardly get this carried away without encouragement.

You remind me of the clueless, not-overly-bright community organizer. Remember when Obama snarked about Trump creating jobs. ‘What’s he going to do? Wave a magic wand?’

Leftists must earn brownie points for mentioning magic wands and unicorns. Of course, jobs have been mushrooming under Trump. No follow up on that from the puerile community organizer. It’s just as well. If Obama did speak, it would probably be to condemn job growth for contributing to global warming.

Smh.

[butterdezillion]

You are hopeless. Just give it up already. You posted images of the LaJolla without an SDV attached in 2013 to try to make your point (that if there weren’t SDV’s showing in those photos then there must never be SDV’s attached - a logical fallacy). Sure, in that post you addressed images that rx had posted but you ALSO posted your own images to try to make your fallacious point.

The Advanced Seal Delivery System was abandoned, but I never referred to ASDS. I referred to a Seal Delivery Vehicle, which has been in use for a long time and still is in use by subs that have been outfitted to house an SDV - including LaJolla. Just as I said.

One big difference between ASDS and in-use SDV’s is that the ASDS allows the SEALs to be sheltered during transport, which would be necessary in especially cold environments and when the transport time is long. Neither of those was the case here. They knew exactly when this “crash” was going to happen (military communications channels were reserved in advance for this area from 3-4pm; the LaJolla was assigned to this area starting at 2pm IIRC).

You said, “A real patriot would give the book away for free.” Seems like you’re suggesting that if JimRob was a real patriot we wouldn’t be having Freepathons. Or is it morally wrong for people to be compensated after they put massive amounts of time, money, and their families’ health and well-being on the line to get information that nobody else will get?

Presidential directives give “cover story indemnity” to those involved in ordered crimes. If Barack Obama ordered this operation (in a directive hidden from the public because of so-called “national security”, then the pilot could fly a perfectly good plane into the ocean and get away with it (as happened). The NTSB, FAA, and US military could lie, destroy records against retention periods, and alter records and get away with it (as happened). Witnesses could lie to federal investigators and get away with it (as happened). The fact that all these people and agencies broke laws fearlessly - and without any legal consequence - tells us EXACTLY WHO ordered this operation. There is only one person who can do that, and his name is Barack Hussein Obama I. The very guy that Loretta Fuddy illegally used her seal to commit election fraud and perjury for.

There is no statute that describes Onaka’s seal; there is only the statute that describes the OFFICIAL DOH SEAL - the very statute that you cited. But Onaka’s seal does not match that description/definition, as I’ve said - what, 3 times in just the past day? The seal that Onaka uses is not 2 1/4” in diameter and it has a dot instead of a star separating the upper and lower banks of words. It CANNOT be the official DOH seal. And it also can’t be the official DOH seal because when the DOH seal is used to verify documents (the only purpose authorized for the official embossed DOH seal) it is to be CLOSE TO THE DIRECTOR’S SIGNATURE. That is all in the very statute you cited. Apparently your reading comprehension is poor.

I will post the whole thing here so everybody can see the whole thing. Note that a) and b) refer to the OFFICIAL SEAL, which is the embossed seal. c) refers only to the SEAL, which is the image itself. Also note the use of the word “shall” - “SHALL be embossed near the signature of the director of health to verify...”. In legal terms “shall” is MANDATORY. If it was not an absolute must, the word used would be “may”. The legal synonym for “shall” is “must”. Note that what is at the director’s discretion is WHICH DOCUMENTS will be verified by the official seal. At some point in the past vital records were excluded from those verified by the OFFICIAL SEAL and are instead verified by the seal of the registrar - the official custodian of the records. The official seal stopped being used on certified vital records when the director’s signature stopped being used on the certifications along with the registrar’s signature. This statute makes it clear why that is: because it is mandatory for the official embossed seal to be next to the director’s signature.

This is found at http://health.hawaii.gov/opppd/files/2013/06/prac_proc.pdf:

§11-1-3
11-4
§11-1-2 Seal of the department of health.
a) The official seal of the department of health
shall be circular in shape, two and one-fourth inches
in diameter. At the curve on the top portion there
shall be the words “DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” and at the
curve on the bottom portion there shall be the words
“STATE OF HAWAII.” At the curve on each side portion
shall be a star. In the center of the seal shall be
the Caduceus, a winged rod entwined with two serpents,
which has long been recognized as a universal symbol
of medicine. The Caduceus shall be encircled by an
indentation, which shall separate it from the words
“DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” and “STATE OF HAWAII.” For
illustrative purposes, a black and white drawing of
the official seal is attached at the end of this
section as Exhibit “A,” titled “Seal of the Department
of Health,” and dated November 1, 1988, and made a
part of this section.

(b) The official seal of the department of
health shall be embossed near the signature of the
director of health to verify commissions of
appointment of deputy directors and notaries public,
certificates, and other formal official documents on
which the official seal has been customarily used or
is appropriate to be used, as the director of health
may determine on a case-by-case basis.

(c) The seal of the department of health may
also be reproduced, in either an enlarged or a reduced
size, on official stationery, reports, certificates,
equipment, supplies, uniform insignia, and other
objects and items to be used or produced by the
department of health, but the reproduction and use of
the seal shall always be subject to the exclusive
control of the director of health.
[Eff 2/14/2005 ] (Auth: HRS §§321-9, 91-2) (Imp:
HRS §§321-9, 91-2)

[Fantasywriter]

Butter, I looked and looked for that pic of Fuddy. I couldn’t find it via search engine, and reviewing old FR threads was equally fruitless. I wonder if it was hosted by one of those sites that has changed their guidelines? Perhaps the pic is no longer available to the general public.

I can only describe it as I recall it, and it’s been a while. My recollection is that Fuddy was not the focus of the pic. Rather, she was well in the background, having drifted apart. The distant image was mostly of a very pale face. Then someone isolated that part of the pic and enlarged it. It was then that I realized it was Fuddy, and that she was deceased. There is no doubt in my mind on that point.

Otoh, I have not the slightest clue as to what size life jacket she was wearing. That detail just didn’t register with me. I had assumed we’d resolve it by examining the pic afresh, but even that isn’t an option. I’m very disappointed.

Overall it seems obvious that something nefarious was going on. Am I right in recalling that three different causes of death were attributed to Fuddy? I can’t remember another case in which the cause of death, A, kept changing, and B, took so long to establish. [Expect our resident moonbats to dig up a case that took a decade or two to resolve the cause of death. They live for such misdirection.]

I know there are other anomalies as well. Under Obama, anything was possible. Watching the intelligence community work relentlessly to destroy Trump is evidence of how fully weaponized those agencies are. If Fuddy was a threat to Obama, the decision to neutralize her would have taken under a minute. That I can believe—see the never ending parade of dead bodies connected to Hillary. Five minute’s research would disabuse any semi-intelligent person of the idea that they were all sheer coincidences.

I absolutely don’t believe she’s still alive, though. That’s not the MO of the Deep State. As I’ve quoted before, three can keep a secret if two of them are dead. Words the Deep State lives by.