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Flake extends his attacks on Trump and the GOP — all the way back to the dawn of birtherism
WaPo ^ | August 6, 2017 | Avi Selk

Posted on 08/07/2017 10:18:39 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

But Sunday, as he promoted his book on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Flake took his assault on Trumpism back years further — all the way to the pre-dawn of Trump’s political rise, to “when the birtherism thing was going on,” as Flake put it to host Chuck Todd.

“Some people did stand up, but not enough,” the senator said. “That was particularly ugly.”

“Did you do enough?” Todd asked.

Flake smiled. “On that, I think I did.”

Flake was a congressman in 2011, when Trump flirted with a presidential run against President Barack Obama.

The current president did so “spouting all sorts of Four-Pinocchio innuendo that had long ago been debunked,” as The Washington Post wrote at the time.

Trump wrote a letter to the editor in the New York Times, for example, advancing a host of bogus evidence against Obama’s birth in the United States and, thus, his legitimacy to occupy the White House.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; US: Arizona; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 115th; birthcertificate; birthers; flakeyflake; flakyflake; naturalborncitizen; obama; trump
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To: 4Zoltan

Blah blah blah.

Onaka’s seal should have certified Onaka’s signature, as it does on the COLB’s.

Our book gives at least 3 independent proofs that the plane’s engine was still running, and our conclusions have been vetted by VERY respected former federal investigators. Not to mention agency people who have privately confirmed what we’ve said.

We know there was no engine failure. We know that the engine given to the NTSB was not the engine recorded on video. And we know - because it has been admitted - that the NTSB altered the images in their final report to hide the fact that THEY ALSO knew all that.

You really need to read the book. The engine noise analysis is based on scientific calculations of frequencies from the engine RPM’s. Engine noise and propeller noise are different things, which the analysis also looks at; the prop noise ended shortly before splashdown but the engine noise ended immediately after splashdown.

But you are speaking out of your hat because you haven’t even looked at the book.

You tried to claim that the LaJolla was not equipped for a Seal Delivery Vehicle, based on military documents that showed the exact opposite. You claimed that the records didn’t show that the LaJolla was ASSIGNED to the area in question at that precise time, in spite of the documents saying that was EXACTLY what happened.

You’re constantly blowing smoke. But that’s what you’re paid to do, right?

Give it up; anybody paying attention already knows who and what you are.


81 posted on 08/08/2017 6:39:58 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: 4Zoltan

‘Single mother as it is used today often means raising the child without input from the father (married or not).’

Your contortions never end. Michelle Obama said Stanley Ann was, “very young and very single,” when she had Little Barry. I.e.: at birth. Your inability to deal with simple statements is a real issue.

More of your rank stupidity follows. Every author of the several biographies that have come out about Obama visited Honolulu. They all looked for people who knew Stanley Ann during her pregnancy. Maraniss was the most forthright about it. He documented his inability to find anyone who could place SA there during her pregnancy. None of the other authors fared any better.

All this has been pointed out to you before. But Obotism has fried your brain and you simply cannot grasp the facts. In your world, if each of these biographers didn’t list every person they interviewed—all without locating a single witness to SA’s pregnancy—the interviews didn’t happen.

It’s no secret that most Obots are less than brilliant. If it were otherwise, they wouldn’t be Obots.


82 posted on 08/08/2017 6:45:00 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: butterdezillion

There is no such thing as an Onaka seal. Where in the Hawaii statues does it describe the Onaka seal?

There is only the seal of the Department of Health.

Are those the same scientific calculations used in this image?

https://postimg.org/image/ve2mjd1e5/

Because the Advanced Seal Delivery System vehicle pictured is not 50 ft. long as you have calculated but is 65 ft. long according to the US Navy. If all of your calculations are off by 13% than it is no wonder you have come up with nonsense. BTW, the only ASDV you pictured was destroyed in a fire in 2008.

I never claimed that the La Jolla was not fitted to carry a Seal Delivery Vehicle, just the opposite. But I did prove that in January, 2013 and March, 2014 it did not have a SDV on it. And I asked you to prove that in December, 2013 that one had been attached to it. So far you have not provided such proof.

I also never claimed that the records show that the La Jolla was not in the area. But I asked you if you had copies of the La Jolla’s deck logs. Again so far you have not provided an answer.

You claimed the floating hand was a manikin - that was false.

You claimed that Rosa and Puentes were standing out of the water when in fact they were floating on seat cushions.

And no I won’t waste money on your fan fiction.


83 posted on 08/08/2017 8:26:05 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

You parse things that don’t matter and ignore the things do. And the whole point is to waste my time because I can’t possibly correct all your crap and still have a life.

We have worked with people who know about different kinds of SDV’s. You show one picture of an SDV that’s a certain size and imply that it’s proof that there are no others that are a different size. You say the LaJolla didn’t have an SDV on it in the public photos from Jan 2013 and March 2014 and think you’ve proven some big deal - as if we would ever see photos from actual black ops. What kind of idiots do you take us all for? These are used for COVERT OPERATIONS, not for full display. Of COURSE the photos you see from specific times are not going to have the SDV’s showing. And even if they did, does a sub not having an SDV on one day mean it didn’t have it on another day? Good heavens, the holes in your logic are only exceeded by the holes in your head.

Have you been consuming too much lead, cadmium, and arsenic? Done anything to make your boss John Brennan mad at you lately? Better be careful, ‘cause when the deep state crooks decide they want you dead they find an illegal-as-hell way to do it. But I GUARANTEE you won’t see the photos of those black ops on the latest Stars and Stripes cover.

The official (embossed) seal of the HDOH is only to be used by the director. It is bigger than the seal that the registrar uses on his certifications. That official seal is only to be used next to the DIRECTOR’s signature. Fuddy’s signature was nowhere on those “letters of verification”. It was unlawful for her seal to be there. So why did she put it there, next to Onaka’s signature? Why wasn’t the registrar’s seal there next to his signature to certify the record, like it is next to the signature and certifying statement on BC’s?

And you are revising history. You said the records only said that the LaJolla MAY have been in the area, when the records said that the LaJolla was ASSIGNED SPECIFICALLY to that area at that specific time. You tried your level best to make it seem that the record said something different than what it said. I’m sure you were paid for effort even if not for success.

You also seem to think that if Rosa and Puentes had a cushion nearby once then they had it nearby always. Again, crazy “logic”. And you blew off the fact that one of the “victims” said the ground was “squishy” there - which makes no sense if the footage showing a bunch of water underneath them is the WHOLE story. (Keep in mind that the “victim” in question was one who was found FARTHER out to sea than shown in Puentes’ video, so the “squishy” that he talked about had to have occurred during the videotaped portions.)

Just like you blew off what I just said about NTSB folks acknowledging that their records were altered in the final report to hide the fact that the engine they were given could not have been the engine filmed in the video. This isn’t JUST our analysis; it is our analysis confirmed by witnesses. You’re desperately trying to distract from that.

What you’re doing is transparent. Give it up already! Anybody who didn’t realize who you are before this surely sees the truth now. Just give it up already.


84 posted on 08/08/2017 10:53:42 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: 4Zoltan; butterdezillion

Here is what the Hawaii statute says about the seal of the Department of Health:

(b) The official seal of the department of health shall be embossed near
the signature of the director of health to verify commissions of appointment of deputy directors and notaries public, certificates, and other formal official documents on which the official seal has been customarily used or is appropriate to be used, as the director of health may determine on a case-by-case basis.

Do you see what is missing? The word “only” is missing.

“(b) The official seal of the department of health shall ONLY be embossed near the signature of the director of health ...as the director of health may determine on a case-by-case basis.”

The rule as written tells us where when the Director of Health signs a document, the seal shall be embossed. And even than it gives the director discretion on a case-by-case basis. But it doesn’t say that on documents without the director signature the seal cannot be embossed.

In fact, we see the seal of the Department of Health embossed on certified copies of birth certificates.


85 posted on 08/08/2017 10:55:30 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

The 2 1/4” official seal of the Dept of Health is embossed only on certificates that HAVE THE DIRECTOR’S SIGNATURE. Can everybody see what 4Zoltan did there? He/she said “In fact, we see the seal of the Department of Health embossed on certified copies of birth certificates” - as if what he/she said did NOT totally prove what I just said, since the ONLY BC’s with the 2 1/4” embossed official DOH seal are ones that HAVE THE DIRECTOR’S SIGNATURE. Those are the old-time certified records and when you see them you know them immediately because the seal is so large and because it is not made of dashes but of solid embossed lines.

Anybody who is looking at this, please understand what 4Zoltan just did. Made it look to the uninformed as if he/she was disproving my point when in fact it PROVED my point: the official embossed seal IS used on BC’s, but ONLY WHEN THE DIRECTOR’S SIGNATURE IS NEXT TO THE SEAL.

What 4zoltan’s masters are doing is counting on knowledgeable people not having/taking the time to correct EVERY SINGLE TIME that the disinformation agents lie/deceive. That’s why they had to poison my husband: so while 4zoltan is talking crap I’m busy reminding my husband that he has to take off his pants before he can put new ones on.

“The official seal shall be embossed near the signature of the director of health to verify...”

If it’s going to verify anything it has to be embossed near the signature of the director of health.

And that is the only place that the law authorizes the official embossed seal to be used. There is no other purpose for which the embossed seal is authorized to be used. It is used to verify records that the Director decides to verify, and when used for that lone authorized purpose it is to be embossed near the signature of the Director.

The IMAGE of the seal (different sizes allowable and not embossed) can be used for other stuff but the only purpose authorized for the official embossed seal is to verify documents signed by the Director.

And now I’ve wasted time I can never get back. 4zoltan gets his/her thirty pieces of silver and I just lost valuable time where my husband still knows who I am.

Everybody see how this works? It’s ALWAYS a choice between a patriot’s life/family and their Constitution and country. Every minute of every day these slimeballs will demand that patriots defend the truth, because if patriots ever take a break the lies will go unexposed. Slithery, slimy, reptilian, putrid lies.


86 posted on 08/08/2017 11:17:26 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
as if we would ever see photos from actual black ops.

So all your pictures of people floating around in the water are just a bunch of crap.

Thank you.

87 posted on 08/09/2017 4:12:50 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: ConservativeMind
ConservativeMind wrote: "...even the Honolulu Advertiser stated 0bama was not born in the US. It later amended their profile on then to be Illinois Senator 0bama during the 2008 presidential campaign. But I have a copy of it on my computer that I grabbed. 🙂" Can you post a pic of it ?
88 posted on 08/09/2017 5:01:10 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: ConservativeMind
"...even the Honolulu Advertiser stated 0bama was not born in the US. It later amended their profile on then to be Illinois Senator 0bama during the 2008 presidential campaign. But I have a copy of it on my computer that I grabbed. 🙂" Could you post a copy ?
89 posted on 08/09/2017 5:05:10 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: 4Zoltan

‘Where did she spend Thanksgiving and Christmas in 1961. Another black hole?’

Now you appear to be losing your mind. This happens to Obots when they realize their narrative is falling irreparably apart. The strain is excessive.

Are you actually suggesting that SA sneaked away on Thanksgiving or Christmas in ‘61, and then reappeared—newborn in hand—2,683 miles from where the Obot narrative claims she gave birth?

Are you really?

Because otherwise it’s just a truly stupid, useless comment. The kind of comment a not-too-bright person makes when the discussion is over their head and they have no idea what’s going on.

Here’s what makes SA’s 8-10 mo disappearance significant. A, it happened when, by all rational accounts, she was pregnant, B, she was not at her prior HI address during this interval, and no one has a secondary HI address for her, C, There’s no evidence of SA going to the hospital in HI; Cindy Pratt, who lived at the Kalanianaole Highway address (i.e.: the one listed on the BC), says SA didn’t leave from that address to go to the hospital nor did she return to that address with a baby, D, the first actual sighting of SA , with the newborn, is in Seattle, 2,683 miles from where Obots claim she gave birth, and E, there is not and has never been any evidence-based, rational explanation for why SA would rush off to Seattle with a baby barely home from the hospital. Had SA given birth in HI, there was every reason to stay there and no reason to race to Seattle.

Bet all that went straight over your head as well. Can’t wait to see what inane nonsequitur you come up with next.


90 posted on 08/09/2017 7:31:26 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: pharmacopeia

I hear you and agree that conservative principles are important to uphold!


91 posted on 08/09/2017 8:06:30 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: humblegunner; Travis McGee

Those images are not in an official military publication, and I did not cite some official military publication’s photo as proof that black ops don’t happen. The military does acknowledge that black ops happen; in fact, the retention period for disinformation ops is only as long as needed to accomplish the mission, instead of the 2 years for most records. Which makes it interesting that the records I did request did not exist when I requested them within that 2-year time period...

And after it was known that I had clearer footage than ABC wanted available any more - and was looking closely at it - someone claiming unlimited money, IT power, and time posted on my blog a threat that my husband would have to lose his job if I didn’t just go away. Six weeks later I, my daughter, and my husband all began to show symptoms of heavy metal poisoning.

And when Matt Bracken mentioned that they have black ops poisons that mimic Alzheimers I had my daughter and husband both tested. The poison that very quickly mimics Alzheimers is a combination of arsenic, cadmium, and lead, and both of them tested in a home test with environmental levels of arsenic, and in a chelation test showed massive amounts of lead in their body tissues. Hair tests are not so trustworthy but cadmium did show up in my husband’s hair test as well; he’d had no cigarette smoke exposure during the time that his hair from that hair test would have been growing.

There are no environmental sources of lead (and my daughter had never lived anywhere but the house we lived in at the time) and the urine test showed it was not environmental exposure.

Add to all of that the response of a relatively high-ranking military officer, who on seeing the images of military equipment on the wing of the downed plane, turned white and said this would get us killed.

A notorious poster here ridiculed that claim, wondering why I wasn’t just killed then. As I’ve said before, it is worth more for the John Brennans of this world to have their enemies appear to be fine but “unable” to correct all the dandelion-seed lies that their disinformation ministers blow all over the place. Makes it look like the lies are unrefuted and true.

Ask yourself why somebody pretending to have this high moral ground would say that because *I* am saying things they don’t like, MY HUSBAND should have to lose his job. That, right there, tells you what kind of poisonous slime is involved here. No decent person says, “I don’t like what you’re doing so I’m going to kill your child.” Only Muslims like John Brennan would think of that as morally decent.

And giving a warning after you’ve made sure the person won’t see the warning until it’s too late (by disabling the email notifications) - well, that doesn’t even satisfy the heathen “karma” requirement saying if a hostage-taker warns about the evil they will do and the hostage doesn’t satisfy the demands then the hostage is guilty for the actions of the hostage-taker.

Your owners may consider it “karma” coming round the bend, since that’s what they know they violated, but I know it is a just God who will not be mocked forever. Justice is coming sooner or later, and for the sake of all the people who would follow in the same slime as your masters, I hope it is sooner so they aren’t lulled into thinking that justice can ever be evaded.

Tell John Brennan that. Tell it to his face.


92 posted on 08/09/2017 8:28:39 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Yes, yes..

Anybody who doesn’t buy into your fantasies is a “black hat” and clearly a paid operative.

Heard it all before from you.
Amusing but repetitive.


93 posted on 08/09/2017 9:39:19 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

The party in question is a Christian and wouldn’t lie about the poisoning. Otoh, the frogmen didn’t exist and Fuddy is dead.

The obvious conclusion is that, in pursuit of an erroneous theory, the poster discovered facts that are considered dangerous. I.e.: a lot of stones were overturned in the course of this investigation. At least one of those stones represents a threat to someone.

Iow, it’s possible to reject the Fuddy-is-alive theory while acknowledging that someone connected with that crash decidedly has something to hide. Agree?


94 posted on 08/09/2017 9:45:56 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

That seems plausible, but does not excuse the obvious
glaring errors and the fabrication of supposed evidence
to fit a pre-supposed conclusion.

And general nuttery.


95 posted on 08/09/2017 9:56:10 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Not really arguing, but you could have phrased some of that more diplomatically. I understand that the site doesn’t want or need to be associated with the right-wing equivalent of moonbattery. Otoh, the poster was a longtime FR supporter, and as conservative a person as you’ll find. I wish there were a happy medium between the rejection of an admittedly farfetched theory and a personal put down of the conservative behind it. That would be ideal.


96 posted on 08/09/2017 10:05:16 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: humblegunner

Au contraire. You haven’t really heard a word I’ve said.

But pass the message on to Brennan for me, if you would.


97 posted on 08/09/2017 10:41:54 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: humblegunner

“Fabrication of supposed evidence”. What are you claiming I fabricated?

You are walking a very, very fine line. Be careful.


98 posted on 08/09/2017 10:51:37 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
You are walking a very, very fine line. Be careful.

How so and why?

What are you claiming I fabricated?

Oh, we can start with the Ninja Frogmen and
the underwater mechanic shop that swapped out the plane's engine.

There is a bunch more over the years but I
really haven't given it as much thought as you have.

99 posted on 08/09/2017 11:01:08 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: butterdezillion

Oh! There was the Fuddy dummy in the too-small casket.
Yeah, that was made-up. These aren’t little details
that were just mistakes, these are huge fake assumptions
that toss all the rest of your “suppositions” into doubt.

Yep, walking a fine line, me.


100 posted on 08/09/2017 11:04:44 AM PDT by humblegunner
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