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Pres. Trump: Transgender people will not be allowed to serve ‘in any capacity’ in the US military
Fox News ^ | July 26, 2017 | AP Wire Service

Posted on 07/26/2017 6:23:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

WASHINGTON — President Trump said Wednesday morning, July 26th in a series of tweets that transgender people will not be allowed to serve ‘in any capacity’ in the US military.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fdrq; homosexualagenda; militaryreadiness; militarytransgenders; secdefmattis; second100days; trans; transgenders; trumpdod; trumptweet
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To: Qiviut

I would like to hope that is true. I was a huge Mattis supporter, and I cannot believe Mattis would buy into this, but it was difficult to know what to believe in the months after he was confirmed and began serving in his post.


221 posted on 07/26/2017 9:31:32 AM PDT by rlmorel (Donald Trump: Making Liberal Heads Explode 140 Characters At A Time.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Finally. Sanity.


222 posted on 07/26/2017 9:32:04 AM PDT by Antoninus ("The Western world has lost its civil courage, both as a whole and separately." -Solzhenitsyn)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

IMHO, the big issue is paying for sex-change surgeries and drugs, which should most assuredly NOT be charged to American taxpayers.

If a trannie is already in the service and doing a good job, I don’t see a huge problem. Of course, I spent ten years in SanFran and eventually (but not right away) had a few gay guys as friends,, so I’m probably more liberal on that issue than some here. I do know that gay men and straight men and women can be friends, can rely on one another, can work together.

I’m a woman, have three lesbian neighbors in my large senior apartment complex, and two of them are perfectly fine, helpful neighbors—one was a marine for 15 years. The third one is on psych meds and can be scary. She was, btw, a marine too, and she’s very Christian...Jesus and No Abortion bumper stickers all over her car.

I can’t judge any of this on moral and/or humanitarian grounds, but I can say NO to paying for Trannie surgery/pills/maintenance.


223 posted on 07/26/2017 9:35:49 AM PDT by Veto! (Political Correctness Offends Me)
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To: Qiviut

In the civilian world, we call that having a mission statement and goals, and working to “align” the goals and actions so they pull in the same direction as the mission statement.

Feminizing, homosexualizing, and trangenderizing the military cannot “align” with the mission statement of the military branches, or the military in general. They by necessity detract from it.

In the civilian world, disregarding that puts you out of business.

In the military world, disregarding it puts you out of business...permanently. The same might be said of the country as a whole.


224 posted on 07/26/2017 9:35:56 AM PDT by rlmorel (Donald Trump: Making Liberal Heads Explode 140 Characters At A Time.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Rescinding Obama’s command to degrade and humiliate our fighting forces by ordering another nut with a level one mental disease have access to a weapon with live ammo to kill more of our own.


225 posted on 07/26/2017 9:39:31 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unar)
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To: Red Badger
True, you can't, but look what the House did just this week. Passed some bill trying to tie the President's hands on foreign policy. Congress routinely tries to usurp presidential foreign policy and commander-in-chief powers. The Constitution invests the presidency with authority over foreign policy and commander-in-chief matters, but Congress and the courts don't give a crap about the Constitution when it doesn't suit their purposes.

With all their ridiculous go-nowhere investigations, Congress also routinely acts as a law enforcement and judicial body even though the Constitution does not give them such powers. They have multitudes of staffers who do nothing but investigative work, and they even subpoena private citizens to testify in their kangaroo pseudo courts. The Constitution has been little more than a quaint artifact to Congress for generations now. And don't get me started on our laughable federal courts. Nope, trust in the system might be for thee, but not for me.

226 posted on 07/26/2017 9:46:12 AM PDT by Avalon Memories (The question about fighting back is not what average people can to do, but how to do we do it?)
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To: Veto!

I appreciate your viewpoint on this, you speak quite reasonably. I view homosexuality on an individual basis, and if they keep it to themselves (the same way someone else might keep their S&M or other odd sexual peccadilloes to themselves) I could care less and wouldn’t treat them differently as a person, even if I knew. Everyone is flawed in some way, and they are too.

But we know this is different. We are being forced by Federal law to accept this behavior as normal, and many of these people are willingly wielding that cudgel on us.

Militarily speaking, if these people are serving and we knew nothing about it we could accept it, except that many of these people have knowledge and hold security clearances, which puts them and us in danger. Like many liberal aberrant behaviors, their solution is to make it normal, and then those people aren’t security risks. Yeah, right.

But my main opposition to ANY of this (and that includes women in military combat roles) is that it harms the unit cohesion, complicates logistics (which in war, can mean losing an engagement/battle/war for lack of a nail in a shoe) and diminishes the mission capability across the board.

My feelings on women in combat have nothing to do with respect for women, who I greatly respect, am subordinate to, and work hard to support in the civilian world.

But the military is not the civilian world. If we have 50% of our troops female in combat, and we are attacked by an army that has 0% women in combat, we are going to lose when they come across a field at fighting holes and jump into those holes with our troops brandishing bayonets. No way around it. And that is what counts to me.


227 posted on 07/26/2017 9:49:49 AM PDT by rlmorel (Donald Trump: Making Liberal Heads Explode 140 Characters At A Time.)
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To: VietVet876

We had one...I don’t know what you’d call him...who was found to routinely wear diapers and use them. I don’t know what he got but he definitely was kicked out.


228 posted on 07/26/2017 9:51:38 AM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: Avalon Memories

Ever since George Washington’s time Congress has been trying to limit the President’s powers by hook or by crook.

After Watergate, they had an easy time of it because of the wrongly perceived corruption of the Executive Branch.

Now they want to go a step further and take or usurp the presidential powers of state and diplomacy.

I cannot imagine the chaos that would ensue from 535 Secretaries of State............................


229 posted on 07/26/2017 9:53:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: Bonemaker

No self..it was Klinger!

Ready, fire, aim.


230 posted on 07/26/2017 9:54:08 AM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: Veto!

Being sexually attracted to a member of the same sex is a phenomenon that has been known, and known about, for thousands of years.

There is even evidence that certain types of same-sex attracted men can become outstanding warriors.

It is not at all the same thing as the false fixed belief that your physical body is the “wrong sex” and that, with certain surgical and other interventions you can become the other one.

The phenomenon of a delusion about your body is just not in the same category of things.


231 posted on 07/26/2017 9:55:09 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Don’t ask, don’t tell” was a Clinton idea... a fact that the Lefties conveniently forget when they screech about how terrible it is.


232 posted on 07/26/2017 9:56:05 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Windflier

Ok. Thank you. I definitely forgot about doing that. I appreciate the reminder.


233 posted on 07/26/2017 10:38:28 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The first of many communist goals that will be walked back by President Trump. Trump will end Gramsci's Long March Through the Institutions. I hope Trump comes out with something every day - in a positive way.

Eight years of daily negative with Obama was too much to take. He did horrible damage to the USA, our country, our culture, our military, our Judeo/Christian religious beliefs and our institutions.

Fight On President Trump! We're behind you 100%! Take no quarter!

234 posted on 07/26/2017 10:39:58 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Signalman

I understand. What I was saying was that gays and lesbians have been in the military for centuries, but transexuals haven’t been. I was not saying that gays and lesbians should be in the military. Thanks for your service bud and I LOVE that you were in the Navy!!!!!


235 posted on 07/26/2017 10:39:59 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: rlmorel

Thanks for your response. Appreciate your explanations of the dangers of women in combat. I don’t support that either. My non-scary lesbian marine neighbor was in charge of caring for horses at some base in Virginia. I don’t think anyone would have a problem with that.

AS for security clearances, I heard from military friends long ago that gays were not good security risks. I thought this was because they could be compromised if anyone found out they were gay. Now that everyone’s out, what? One might suppose that sexual ambivalence that trannies exhibit would indicate other kinds of ambivalence, but I cannot say that’s a fact.

This year, several cases were reported of transgender “female” athletes winning girls’ sporting events. And in one case the “female” was sporting a mustache. This should put a stop to some of the nonsense, but no. “Instead of calling this exactly what it is–a male unfairly competing against females (cheating), Yearwood is being commended for ‘her’ bravery.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/transgender-athlete-mustache-wins-first-place-high-school-girls-track-field-championship/

I don’t see us winning battles by confusing the enemy to death and am really delighted that Donald said NO.


236 posted on 07/26/2017 10:47:07 AM PDT by Veto! (Political Correctness Offends Me)
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To: Antoninus

237 posted on 07/26/2017 10:51:20 AM PDT by caww
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

nothing wrong with don’t ask don’t tell, worked great


238 posted on 07/26/2017 10:52:20 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Veto!

LOL, “confusing an enemy to death”...we might do just that. I can see the conversation now among our enemies: “Hell no, I don’t want to conquer them...who needs all that? Do we have to have separate POW camps, do we put them all into one big camp...what?”

As for security risk, I believe they would still be security risks, because I think there are many of them (particularly in the “transgender” grouping) to whom their other issues they may have are simply compounded by their sexual behaviors and desires. That can happen with heterosexuals as well, but I believe it is worse with homosexuals.


239 posted on 07/26/2017 10:56:03 AM PDT by rlmorel (Donald Trump: Making Liberal Heads Explode 140 Characters At A Time.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Thank goodness. The military exists to be ready for combat, period. We have made enough compromises in the service of political correctness.

There is no right to serve in the military.

An individual transitioning genders simply cannot be considered militarily ready. A biological female who assumes a male gender will, on average, be less capable than a biological male, and require significant constant hormone therapy to maintain even a facade of being male.

A biological male who assumes a female gender will, once they start hormone therapy, be less capable than a biological male. They may on average be more capable than a biological female.

Both male to female and female to male sex reassignment surgery is actually multiple surgeries each requiring a long recovery time. Female to male sex reassignment surgery is significant and invasive: mastectomy, hysterectomy, multiple cosmetic surgeries. Depending on the cosmetic surgeries it can require months of recovery time and cause permanent damage to tissue donor areas.

The idea someone going through this does not impact military readiness is in denial.


240 posted on 07/26/2017 11:53:08 AM PDT by magellan
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