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Prof wants to 'blow up meritocracy' with 'admissions lottery'
Campus Reform ^ | July 20, 2017 | Toni Airaksinen

Posted on 07/21/2017 5:18:52 AM PDT by C19fan

To “solve the problem of meritocracy,” one professor argues that elite universities should use an “admissions lottery” to select which students they accept.

Joseph Soares, who teaches in the department of Sociology at Wake Forest University, advanced the claim in an article for the Journal of Ethnic and Racial Studies, in which he argues that college entrance exams like the SAT and ACT “are predictively weak and biased, stigmatizing minorities as underperformers” and should therefore be disregarded.

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KEYWORDS: academia; college; highereducation; leftismoncampus; wakeforestu
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To: C19fan

I actually think this is a great idea.

Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Georgetown, Penn, etc....can all implement this strategy. Then we can have colleges like Hillsdale that can continue to allow entry based on merit.

After 10 years or so we can compare the outcomes.

It may be the greatest teaching tool of all time.


41 posted on 07/21/2017 6:20:57 AM PDT by nitzy
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To: C19fan

And once they are in college, they can have a lottery for the grades they receive. No study, no tests, no learning. Just a lottery to graduate. Then they can spend the rest of their lives hoping to make it big buying real lottery tickets with their welfare checks.


42 posted on 07/21/2017 6:21:04 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: C19fan

Imagine if Einstein was refused college? Or Jonas Salk? Or Tesla? This “professor” should be denied the ability to teach, based on a lottery. If he doesn’t get picked on the lottery, he can’t teach


43 posted on 07/21/2017 6:22:06 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: C19fan
Sure. Competence and reasoning skills are the biggest threats to Liberalism.

44 posted on 07/21/2017 6:22:50 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: C19fan

” . . .exams like the SAT and ACT “are predictively weak and biased, stigmatizing minorities as underperformers”

Gee, we’ve been hearing this for how many decades now?

Yet the liberal C & U still use them . . . how grossly unfair!!

Just do away with admissions, tests, standards, GPAs and establish quotas for everything

Including professional sports


45 posted on 07/21/2017 6:33:03 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat ("Liberalism is a mental disorder" On FULL Display NOW! Boycott Mex/Can, nba NFL PepsiCO Kellogg's)
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To: C19fan

When this idiot walks onto a plane, or lies on the operating table, or hires a lawyer, does anyone really believe he thinks everyone is equally capable?


46 posted on 07/21/2017 6:38:19 AM PDT by odawg
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To: C19fan

Excuse me, but what is wrong with merit?
Has ability, achievement and, learning become ‘racist?’


47 posted on 07/21/2017 6:38:38 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: C19fan

Then fire the “professor” is it can’t meet 100% student learning rate, not pass rate by artificial scores, but each student must pass or the professor is fired.


48 posted on 07/21/2017 6:40:03 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: C19fan

Harrison Bergeron, please pick up on line 3.


49 posted on 07/21/2017 6:42:07 AM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: C19fan

Why not experiment with a few percent and see what happens? Lets say, make 5% of your admissions by this “lottery” scheme. Follow the students for a generation and see what happens.


50 posted on 07/21/2017 6:45:58 AM PDT by Paradox (Don't call them mainstream, there is nothing mainstream about the MSM.)
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To: C19fan

So, attend a minority high school for admission to top university, homeschool after hours for education?


51 posted on 07/21/2017 6:46:06 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: rb22982

But why stop at 10%? That’s “unfair” to the kids at the better skools. Why not 11% to include the marginals? Or 15%

Or better yet, 50%

No wait, 100% That’s the ONLY FAIR way to do it!!


52 posted on 07/21/2017 6:46:12 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat ("Liberalism is a mental disorder" On FULL Display NOW! Boycott Mex/Can, nba NFL PepsiCO Kellogg's)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Old white guys unite against the injustice!


53 posted on 07/21/2017 6:48:03 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: C19fan
...advanced the claim in an article for the Journal of Ethnic and Racial Studies, in which he argues that college entrance exams like the SAT and ACT “are predictively weak and biased, stigmatizing minorities as "underperformers” and should therefore be disregarded.

BS!!!

54 posted on 07/21/2017 6:51:00 AM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Old Yeller

Agreed. With various biases already built into the admission process we already have a lottery, at least as far as the applicant is concerned. You may be more qualified but it doesn’t mean you’ll get in.

This helps nobody. An unqualified applicant may gain acceptance but will just be woefully unprepared for the coursework. The only solution will be to dumb down the material, making a degree worthless - which is fraud against those deserving a meaningful degree and are willing & capable of achieving something better, along with being hit with a high cost in the process.

...but so long as somebody ‘feels’ better about themselves, I guess this is ‘good’.


55 posted on 07/21/2017 6:57:53 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: C19fan

Great concept for the elitist Ivy League and near Ivies (Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt). They should implement the plan immediately. Certainly the wealthy progressive alumni and elites will welcome the opportunity to neutralize the advantages their children have in the admissions process. Barack Obama can lead the way by sending Malia to a state university next year and opening up her slot for an aspiring scholar randomly chosen from the high schools in the south side of Chicago.


56 posted on 07/21/2017 6:58:43 AM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on it.)
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To: C19fan

Joseph Soares, who teaches in the department of Sociology at Wake Forest University, advanced the claim in an article for the Journal of Ethnic and Racial Studies, in which he argues that college entrance exams like the SAT and ACT “are predictively weak and biased, stigmatizing minorities as underperformers” and should therefore be disregarded.

Joseph Soares is a role model for the Intellectual Yet Idiots, who have been ruining America for a few decades.

Universities/Colleges are controlled and operated by the Intellectual Yet Idiots, who have been controlling our lives for decades. This clown is another role model for the Intellectual Yet Idiot ilk!

Nassim Taleb Exposes The World’s “Intellectual-Yet-Idiot” Class!

What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.

But the problem is the one-eyed following the blind: these self-described members of the “intelligenzia” can’t find a coconut in Coconut Island, meaning they aren’t intelligent enough to define intelligence and fall into circularities?—?, but their main skills is ability to pass exams written by people like them.

With psychology papers replicating less than 40%, dietary advice reversing after 30 years of fatphobia, macroeconomic analysis working worse than astrology, the appointment of Bernanke who was less than clueless of the risks, and pharmaceutical trials replicating at best only 1/3th of the time, people are perfectly entitled to rely on their own ancestral instinct and listen to their grandmothers (or Montaigne and such filtered classical knowledge) with a better track record than these policymaking goons.

What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.

But the problem is the one-eyed following the blind: these self-described members of the “intelligenzia” can’t find a coconut in Coconut Island, meaning they aren’t intelligent enough to define intelligence and fall into circularities?—?but their main skills is capacity to pass exams written by people like them.

With psychology papers replicating less than 40%, dietary advice reversing after 30 years of fatphobia, macroeconomic analysis working worse than astrology, the appointment of Bernanke who was less than clueless of the risks, and pharmaceutical trials replicating at best only 1/3th of the time, people are perfectly entitled to rely on their own ancestral instinct and listen to their grandmothers (or Montaigne and such filtered classical knowledge) with a better track record than these policymaking goons.

Indeed one can see that these academico-bureaucrats wanting to run our lives aren’t even rigorous, whether in medical statistics or policymaking. They can’t tell science from scientism?—?in fact in their eyes scientism looks more scientific than real science. (For instance it is trivial to show the following: much of what the Cass-Sunstein-Richard Thaler types?—?those who want to “nudge” us into some behavior?—?much of what they call “rational” or “irrational” comes from their misunderstanding of probability theory and cosmetic use of first-order models.)

This is an excerpt. To read or copy the full article go to the link below:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-16/nassim-taleb-exposes-worlds-intellectual-yet-idiot-class


57 posted on 07/21/2017 7:00:52 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Voting for Trump to be our President, made 62+ million of us into Dumb Deplorable Colluders, MAGA!)
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To: Bookshelf
"For most of 2008, he was a member of the national education policy group for Barack Obama’s campaign for US President."

That line, alone, is a recommendation that the good prof has never heard of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, or the Peter Principle, and is, in fact, educated far beyond his ability and intellect.

58 posted on 07/21/2017 7:04:24 AM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Indeed - that was my second point.


59 posted on 07/21/2017 7:11:15 AM PDT by rb22982
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"SAT and ACT are predictively weak and biased, stigmatizing minorities as underperformers"

No Professor Douche Bag, the correct term is EXPOSES them. But lets run with your theory. Lets fill the Colleges with drop outs and low IQers. Let's further push them thru with paper mill Degrees in all areas. Then when you must have that life saving critical operation, In walks your Doctor. A fresh face out of the Bell Curve Medical School and Hydraulics.... Dr. Gallygoopta from the Sirlanca Pain Institute and DirectV clinic. I can make a pretty good guess why this imbecile is a Teacher.

60 posted on 07/21/2017 7:12:31 AM PDT by VRWCarea51 (The Original 1998 Version)
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