Posted on 06/22/2017 3:46:46 PM PDT by Wolfie
Here Comes The Stupid: Senate Health Care Proposal
From the AP:
When U.S. Senate Republicans unveil their plan to overhaul America's healthcare system, they will face a skeptical public that already does not buy the justification for an earlier version that passed the House of Representatives, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday.
They're right to be "skeptical"; Obamacare did exactly nothing to address cost, which is where the real issue resides, and the House bill, as I analyzed, would actually make it worse (which is hard to believe, but true.)
The Senate "attempt" will do the same.
The problem is not "insurance" or "coverage" -- it's cost.
Then there's this sort of nonsense, which IMHO argues for locking up doctors en-masse as drug pushers:
Nearly one in four people on Medicaid, the U.S. health program for the poor, received powerful and addictive opioid pain medicines in 2015, according to research by a drug-benefits management firm.
One person in four?
Folks, these drugs are responsible for some 20,000 deaths due to overdoses a year which wildly outranks other means of accidental death, save one: car accidents (~35,000)
There is only one way to address health care cost: Attack the monopolist practices of the industry and you need no new laws to do it, since we have a 100+ year old body of said law which, I remind you again, drug and medical firms have tried to shoot down twice at the US Supreme Court (in the 1970s timeframe) and they lost both times.
It requires only an executive either at the state or federal level, which again I remind you has responsibility for enforcing the law, to stand up and do their ******ned job, leveling indictments against everyone involved in this industry that attempts to promote monopolies or restrain trade.
That's all it will take and the entirety of the health scam will collapse in an afternoon, crashing prices by 80% or more.
You can look right here for what this would mean, and what it would do.
You will note that there is not one hint of any of this in the House proposal, and there won't be in the Senate version either. Nor has my phone rang despite the fact that I've been to the Hill in the past and spoken with Senate staffers on exactly this point; they know damn well what's coming, why, and how to stop it.
The US Congress and President Trump are both engaged in intentionally destroying your health and bankrupting you at the same time. These people need to be run out of town on a rail -- all of them -- and if you cheer on either political party or any of the existing political class at either state or federal level who have all refused to enforce existing law and solve this problem you are a direct contributor to and promoter of the destruction of this nation and her people.
Unfortunately you are correct.
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“2nd, when did ‘pre-existing’ conditions = insurance (IE: handling/covering the UNKNOWN)??”
Prior to Obamacare most people had insurance through group plans at work that didn’t restrict people with pre-existing conditions.
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Well, there’s issue #1: It’s not the job nor responsibility of the employer.
Any plan, past or future, that cover(s/ed) PEC, isn’t\wasn’t ‘insurance’.
>Repealing it isn’t going to give them that back.
I say we repeal, and see what happens. The Free Market, when allowed to exist and thrive, does AMAZING things in a short amount of time.
>Your “screw them, they can die” attitude is exactly why so many Trump supporters never voted for Pubs before Trump. It reinforces their belief that Republicans only care about the rich.
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One, it’s not as if the (R) have even TRIED to put out a concise and steady message. Most anyone hears is *crickets*. No message to counter the vocal Socialists = indoctrination we see today. ‘Good men to do nothing’ is one thing, to agree (silence = consent) is quite another.
2nd, I needed care what my neighbor believe of the (R) party, only they keep their Socialism off my (inalienable) Rights.
IMO, thinning the herd of the leeches to society is sorely needed.
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Then you’ll wonder why they support Dims and a single payer plan down the road.
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Something about ‘beating Santa Claus’.... Not as if the (R) have *TRIED* their ‘small govt’ rhetoric (see TSA, NSA, NCLB for a few examples).
100 years of ‘skool edukation’ will do that to you. Just ask any man-on-the-street the difference between Democracy and a Republic (and which is the U.S.) to understand why the road is QUITE paved already. Again, thank the (R) for ‘fighting’ that battle too.
Lastly, see ‘messaging’, above.
So, someone who worked and paid taxes for 35 years, and lost coverage because they are too sick to work is part of a herd of leeches who should die. Got it. If that’s the conservative message, you can have it.
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So, someone who worked and paid taxes for 35 years, and lost coverage because they are too sick to work is part of a herd of leeches who should die. Got it. If that’s the conservative message, you can have it.
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1) I am as far from the (C) message as you can get. I actually argue from the Constitutional stand-point. Us ‘crazy’ (L) are just that way.
WTF has TAXES to do w/ coverage? Paying taxes entitles one to enslave another?? Still doesn’t change the meaning of ‘insurance’ (IE: the UNKNOWN).
Why didn’t your hypothetical sob-story not have any saving to fall upon? Family? Community? Charity? Getting ‘sick’, or being so, makes one entitled to the property/time of another??
Mr(s). Hypothetical, EVEN if having their own plan, loses their job, I would presume = not paying for his plan = *any* different than being fired??
Or, ‘just existing’ entitles Mr. hypothetical to the fruits/labor as (s)he deems ‘need’??
Here’s a better one: Small govt, not able to STEAL the fruits of one’s labor = able to save a/o do with the fruits of their labor as they so choose (be that buying insurance...or NOT). But, utilizing service(s), have the ability to pay, or make payments (however those entities agree).
See, that last scenario doesn’t involve me\you or any coercion/theft. Two+ entities amicably agree to the remuneration of said service(s). Every one’s Rights intact, supported and Free.
I freely admit I have few ideas as to replacing obamacare. I heard someone on the news the other day, say that hospitals and insurance companies, were the ones pushing so hard for obamacare: insurance companies because it was going to be mandatory; and hospitals, because they were tired of losing money due to irresponsible people using the ER for a cold or other minor illnesses, or just not getting paid, in general. I don’t know if those two groups did, in fact, push for it, but I am pretty sure their needs were given precedence above ours. I do not want single payer, but there should be some system for treating the group most neglected BEFORE obamacare -— the working poor. (And other working people who had no access to affordable, decent health care coverage.) Poor people who don’t work have Medicaid, seniors have Medicare, people with good jobs, working for employers who provided good group insurance were doing fine. It’s those who fell between the cracks, who needed affordable coverage. Health co-ops seem like a good idea, but right now, they’re not available everywhere. It seems a reset is in order -— put things back the way they were, and just do something to help those who do fall between the cracks. That seems like it would be billions cheaper than both obamacare and what they’re now proposing.
Who says it's hypothetical? I live in the real world where real people I know are affected by this stuff, not your imaginary world of ideological purity. Life savings can go pretty quickly when the medical bills start coming in, and most people's families aren't going to pony up their life savings for relatives. Would you? Or would they just become part of the herd that needs thinning?
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your hypothetical sob-story
Who says it’s hypothetical? I live in the real world where real people I know are affected by this stuff, not your imaginary world of ideological purity. Life savings can go pretty quickly when the medical bills start coming in, and most people’s families aren’t going to pony up their life savings for relatives. Would you? Or would they just become part of the herd that needs thinning?
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Ideological purity? Following the Constitution?? You might be on the wrong forum...
Would I? Possibly, if they ASKED.
Glad to see you’ve come clean about approving of subjugation your fellow Man for your own ideals. Here’s a hint: NO body owes you, or anyone else, spit.
That train left the station 100 years ago. I think government has an obligation to mitigate the damage it has caused. I also think pragmatism is a conservative value. We have to deal with the world as it is, not as we would like it to be. That includes what is politically possible.
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That train left the station 100 years ago. I think government has an obligation to mitigate the damage it has caused.
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You expect govt to mitigate what it caused? How? You can’t get ‘em to even fess up they are THE problem (just look at the crap w/ the Colorado mine. “Wasn’t me.” “Can’t help ‘em, we don’t have the $$”.)
Hell, we have elected officials DEAD TO RIGHTS, and they never police (arrest/jail) their own. Govt have EXEMPTED itself from the laws they pass upon US; *their* MASTERS...not the other way around.
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I also think pragmatism is a conservative value. We have to deal with the world as it is, not as we would like it to be. That includes what is politically possible.
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Ah, politically possible. How’d that pragmatism work vs. the 6 O’Care repeal bills passed before Trump took office? Couldn’t seem to find the ‘political capital’ after they were ushered into the W.H and Congress w/ majorities.
PP (even after SHOWING their illegality selling fetal parts)? Foreign Aid (taxpayer $$ pissed away). Hell, they can’t even de-fund NEA and NPR!
40+ years been waiting for the other ‘1/2 of the loaf’ re: illegal aliens; won’t even TOUCH Roe v. Wade.
MOST *powerful* branch of the 3 and not ONE G*-damn thing done to roll back ANYTHING over the past 8 years, let alone 40+.
FULL control of Congress, last time, gave us: NCLB, Part-D, TSA, NSA and a bunch of other Freedom\Right trampling works.
So, excuse me if I don’t follow that “Thank you, sir, can I have another” school of political thought.
Appreciate keeping it civil, it’s sorely lacking around here recently.
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