Memo To Karl Denniger:
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The US Congress and President Trump are both engaged in intentionally destroying your health and bankrupting you at the same time. These people need to be run out of town on a rail -- all of them -- |
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Posted on 06/22/2017 3:46:46 PM PDT by Wolfie
Here Comes The Stupid: Senate Health Care Proposal
From the AP:
When U.S. Senate Republicans unveil their plan to overhaul America's healthcare system, they will face a skeptical public that already does not buy the justification for an earlier version that passed the House of Representatives, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday.
They're right to be "skeptical"; Obamacare did exactly nothing to address cost, which is where the real issue resides, and the House bill, as I analyzed, would actually make it worse (which is hard to believe, but true.)
The Senate "attempt" will do the same.
The problem is not "insurance" or "coverage" -- it's cost.
Then there's this sort of nonsense, which IMHO argues for locking up doctors en-masse as drug pushers:
Nearly one in four people on Medicaid, the U.S. health program for the poor, received powerful and addictive opioid pain medicines in 2015, according to research by a drug-benefits management firm.
One person in four?
Folks, these drugs are responsible for some 20,000 deaths due to overdoses a year which wildly outranks other means of accidental death, save one: car accidents (~35,000)
There is only one way to address health care cost: Attack the monopolist practices of the industry and you need no new laws to do it, since we have a 100+ year old body of said law which, I remind you again, drug and medical firms have tried to shoot down twice at the US Supreme Court (in the 1970s timeframe) and they lost both times.
It requires only an executive either at the state or federal level, which again I remind you has responsibility for enforcing the law, to stand up and do their ******ned job, leveling indictments against everyone involved in this industry that attempts to promote monopolies or restrain trade.
That's all it will take and the entirety of the health scam will collapse in an afternoon, crashing prices by 80% or more.
You can look right here for what this would mean, and what it would do.
You will note that there is not one hint of any of this in the House proposal, and there won't be in the Senate version either. Nor has my phone rang despite the fact that I've been to the Hill in the past and spoken with Senate staffers on exactly this point; they know damn well what's coming, why, and how to stop it.
The US Congress and President Trump are both engaged in intentionally destroying your health and bankrupting you at the same time. These people need to be run out of town on a rail -- all of them -- and if you cheer on either political party or any of the existing political class at either state or federal level who have all refused to enforce existing law and solve this problem you are a direct contributor to and promoter of the destruction of this nation and her people.
Didn’t we give them control of congress in order to repeal this obamanation. Let’s get it back to the insurance companies. Let them compete for lower rates.
Sounds very much like house version. I don’t see buying health insurance across state lines in either version. Republicans better get together and pass legislation to benefit Americans or prove the Demoncrats right when they say Republicans don’t know to govern.
Memo To Karl Denniger:
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The US Congress and President Trump are both engaged in intentionally destroying your health and bankrupting you at the same time. These people need to be run out of town on a rail -- all of them -- |
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We sent all of these pr*cks to D.C. to REPEAL the damn thing!!!
no, the real issue is NOT ‘cost’
the real issue is that the federal government has absolutely no business taking over personal health care
at any cost.
This bill eliminates the individual and business mandate and phases out the Medicaid expansion. The choice isn’t between this or a “clean” repeal, because that won’t happen, and it would leave tens of millions who have been forced into Obamacare without anything. In realityville the choice is between this or Obamacare. Either way people will hold Republicans responsible for the status quo. That’s what happens when you are in power. That’s why the Dims don’t want this passed. Once again conservatives let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
Repeal and replace that has no repeal in it is just a dog and pony show.
The repubs continue to be traitors to their electorate. What a bunch of putz-supremes. These bums had 8 years to come up with an alternative. They promised to first repeal nobamacare. Smarmy liars.
One person in four?
Folks, these drugs are responsible for some 20,000 deaths due to overdoses a year which wildly outranks other means of accidental death, save one: car accidents (~35,000)
Maybe the excessive opioid prescriptions are nothing more than government-sponsored euthanasia -- to reduce the enrollment of Medicaid.
/sarcasm only partially off/
McConnell is pulling a Gruber on us. He thinks we’re stupid.
From Rush:
Owner of Direct-Pay Health Clinic Tells Us How We Can Save a Trillion Dollars a Year
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/06/22/owner-of-direct-pay-health-clinic-tells-us-how-we-can-save-a-trillion-dollars-a-year/
Not 1 cent to the RNC if they do not repeal entirely.
The big Insurance companies are part of the problem. They depend totally on anti-capitalist favoritism from government to protect them from competition, and to finance their takeover of the smaller firms the government runs out of business.
Same with the big hospital/provider organizations. They are paid by the tax payers to run the small businesses, the small practices out of business.
The article correctly identifies COST as the problem.
There is not single action that can cut cost. Price/Verma recently made a small token effort in the right direction. They have the power without congress to do a lot more.
But Congress also must act to reduce regulation, stop the favoritism of anti-competitive big insurance, big providers.
And, of course, there is tort reform and defensive medicine.
BTW. The 31 Republican controlled states could greatly reduce cost in their state if they had the cajones. But maybe the big providers were paid by big insurance to remove those said cajones from both state and federal Republicans.
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This bill eliminates the individual and business mandate and phases out the Medicaid expansion.
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Way I read it, it reduces the penalty to $0...until it’s NOT again. BIG difference than eliminating
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The choice isn’t between this or a “clean” repeal, because that won’t happen, and it would leave tens of millions who have been forced into Obamacare without anything.
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They were on something BEFORE (mostly Medicaid or the like), if they wanted to be on *anything* to begin.
Get govt out of the way and the people can have a few more $$ to decide if/what they want.
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In realityville the choice is between this or Obamacare. Either way people will hold Republicans responsible for the status quo. That’s what happens when you are in power. That’s why the Dims don’t want this passed.
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Yes. As they’ve shown, the (R) don’t do S*, least of all what the electorate wishes a/o they promised. They might have even taken a principled stand and remove any/all exemptions (themselves included) but NO.
(D) might have pulled the pin, but the (R) voluntarily picked it up and started juggling....the fiasco and blame are now squarely upon them.
The (R) also seem to be master of crickets. Not one G*D* word, aside from maligning the Prez, on why/when/how/etc. We’ve heard more from Chucky & Skelator than McTurle and Eddie Munster. Wonder why The People might be inclined to think the (R) are to blame??
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Once again conservatives let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
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Ah, never mind that pesky Constitutional\authority\A1S8 problem, eh? Nor the promises over the last 8 years. Nor the 6+ failed REPEAL ‘attempts’. Nope, we gotta destroy the Constitution to save it. You wouldn’t be G.W., would ya?
They had coverage through group plans at work, that no longer exist due to Obamacare, or they no longer have those jobs at all. And tens of millions who did lose their coverage are 40-64 and have pre-existing conditions. They are a big part of Trump's base. Just repealing Obamacare without something to ensure they can get some coverage would hand power to the Dims.
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They had coverage through group plans at work, that no longer exist due to Obamacare, or they no longer have those jobs at all. And tens of millions who did lose their coverage are 40-64 and have pre-existing conditions. They are a big part of Trump’s base. Just repealing Obamacare without something to ensure they can get some coverage would hand power to the Dims.
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Excuse me while I get my hankie! So, instead of going down the path of HSAs, personal plans that follow and across State lines (you know, Free Market solutions), (R) 2x on stupid. *Woohoo*.
There’s MORE people, whose pockets are being picked clean, than the poor, poor, pitiful ‘poor’\40-64. Your pity party doesn’t make it any more moral, ethical nor Constitutional.
2nd, when did ‘pre-existing’ conditions = insurance (IE: handling/covering the UNKNOWN)?? Course, the (R) have *never* been good as defending much of anything, let alone definitions.
Lastly, the (R) handed the (D) the keys even before DTJ took office; under-cutting his every move, slow-walking an agenda\appointments, letting the minority party ‘stifle’ every vote. They have done EVERYTHING to do NOTHING.
If those here continue to vote Party over principles, you get exactly the govt you deserve.
Still a disaster for people buying their own policies...no HSA/high deductible/catastrophic plans available (”EHB’s” remain)...individual mandate remains (30% monthly penalty/12 months now paid to the insurance company instead of the IRS). Lots of taxes eliminated but with EHB’s and “pre-existing conditions” (no such thing if you maintain coverage) still in effect, premiums still skyrocket and Obamacare “death-spiral” continues with insurance companies leaving the program...although I read something about $50 billion in payments to insurance companies, so maybe they are re-instituting the insurance company “bailout payments” to replace the reduction in direct taxes?? Will have to read more about it.
“2nd, when did ‘pre-existing’ conditions = insurance (IE: handling/covering the UNKNOWN)??”
Prior to Obamacare most people had insurance through group plans at work that didn’t restrict people with pre-existing conditions. Repealing it isn’t going to give them that back. Your “screw them, they can die” attitude is exactly why so many Trump supporters never voted for Pubs before Trump. It reinforces their belief that Republicans only care about the rich. Then you’ll wonder why they support Dims and a single payer plan down the road.
I listened to Mark Levin’s podcast from last nights show. He featured Daniel Horowitz who broke down both bills and his analysis is sobering. I highly recommend listening to it. If this goes through, the Trump wave on the market is over. The government will still be in the health care business, no place for a private system to grow back. Insurance companies just fronts for the government. Employers who were counting on repeal will not grow. Voters who counted on repeal will slowly turn from Trump and the midterms - the Dems will be in a good position.
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