Posted on 06/17/2017 6:14:26 PM PDT by plain talk
Muslims before their time?
A lot of people have been blinded by propaganda apparently.
That’s the whole point of propaganda.
I’ve been a victim of it too. Myriad of issues, but one day I actually opened my eyes and started looking around.
It’s incredible what one can see when the blinders are off.
Of course the only way to really see with blinders off is through Jesus Christ himself.
What’s interesting is the number of FReepers who allege to having had an epiphany of sorts when all they’re doing is turning from the light.
And secession happened because northern Republicans and Lincoln basically waged economic warfare on the South.
"Be honest. Do you really think that a country divided into two hostile nations was going to be the same as one that largely had a continent to itself?
Of course not. But I think there is a good possibility that there would have been no split.
"The idea that the Civil War gave us big government is an exaggeration. Most functions were still in state hands after the war as before. It would take 50 years or more after the war for that to change.
The Civil War set the precedent for a totally dominant central government supreme over the states. That it took time for the full effects of that precedent to be realized is irrelevant.
"But do you really think that an exceptionally decentralized form of government would have survived into the 21st century?"
Actually, yes. Switzerland has lasted far longer and survived quite nicely into the 21st Century.
"And do you really think that country founded on slavery -- whether the US or the CSA -- could be devoted to liberty for very long? Wouldn't the fear of the slave owners or the rage of the slaves eventually overwhelm constitutional protections?
There would have been no "country founded on slavery" in the long run. Slavery was morally and economically doomed, and would have disappeared in the same fifty years you posited for the overweening central government to fully develop. Developments in agriculture would have seen to that. A horse-drawn or steam-powered cotton-picker isn't much of a stretch, given developments in agricultural innovation between 1860 and 1880 or -90.
Some did, though not directly. They complained about an excess of Federal power.
Which may technically be illegal, as the Constitution requires the consent of the legislature of teh state from which the new state is seceding — which, giv en that Virginia was out of the Union at the time, was not possible to get.
So the Union troops occupying Alexandria woke teh city council up in the middle of teh night, declared them the legislature, and told them they couldn’t go back to sleep until they approved West Virginia’s secession.
Here are some excellent articles (from a black writer) on the legality of secession:
http://walterewilliams.com/secession-or-nullification/
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/walter-e-williams/2012/12/03/walter-e-williams-column-secession-craze-isnt-crazy-parting
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/secession-its-constitutional/
http://walterewilliams.com/the-real-lincoln/
"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress." (Emphasis mine.)
Because their slaves, which they considered property, we’re not being returned
Doesn’t matter what the academics decide or say now. A war was fought.
And? Force makes legality?
All the hypotheticals in the world don’t change what actually happened
So we’re bound for all time by the results of a war? The fact is that secession is nowhere prohibited.
Apples and oranges.
Switzerland has several characteristics which render its situation qualitatively different from that of the United States. Switzerland is much smaller in terms of geographic size and population, and there is also a much greater degree of ethnic and cultural homogeneity. The United States was also a growing nation with an expanding frontier which incorporated new territories periodically.
Having said that, your thesis isn't necessarily false, but the prevailing conditions in Switzerland—versus the United States—were sufficiently different that similar outcomes couldn't be automatically expected.
>> The South was a white supremacist society, their own speeches confirmed that. Ugly.
What’s really ugly are people like you who want to shove your views of the world down the throats of everyone else. White supremacy was and is an historical fact whether you like it or not.
The war did happen. It’s effects are still felt.
The Democrats still have their slavery today, in the form of public housing, food stamps and illegal immigration. They haven't changed a bit. But the South has moved on while much of the North has apparently embraced slavery in its current form.
>>The greatest Barrier to the truth is to believe you already have it. Chuck Missler
This is one of most nonsensical statements I’ve ever read. Missler must have been a moron.
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