Posted on 06/17/2017 2:52:43 PM PDT by Trump20162020
She should have gone with the second facial expression throughout the trial. Kinda cute.
The judge made an emotional decision...But it was still the wrong one.
think it’s possible the judge has a tad more information about the situation than you do...?
She knows she’s ‘kinda cute’ ....but her dark side really does take that away from her.
The only thing that gets you sent straight to hell is refusing the salvation of Jesus Christ.
Betcha if this was a case about a girl counseling another to kill her unborn baby—no problemo!
Exactly!
Wow, I’m at a loss for words at the depravity.
Then again that seems to happen a lot these days.
The decision will never hold up....she is as nuts as he was and no more responsible for his decision that he was....
Not for the most high profile case in the country (Bill Cosby).
Thank God. We would be at such a loss had you done so years ago. I LOVE having you here. God Bless.
I thought if you are guilty take a jury, if you are not guilty take a judge verdict. Why didn’t she go with a jury....one of those members may have been a liberal jerk and not vote guilty.
Just weeks before Roy committed suicide, he texted Carter, telling her, “we should be like Romeo and Juliet at the end,” according to court documents.“F—- NO! WE ARE NOT DYING,” she responded.
Days before his death, Carter urged him to get help. “But the mental hospital would help you. I know you don’t think it would but I’m telling you, if you give them a chance, they can save your life,” she wrote. “Part of me wants you to try something and fail just so you can go get help.” - Bangor Daily News
I'm really surprised - even shocked - to see so many people here apparently decidng so quickly that this woman is guilty of manslaughter for what she did.
After looking into this case further, I've concluded that they were likely two disturbed individuals, from disturbed families, whose disturbed states fed off each other. And in their twisted worlds, nothing might seem to be what it was. Up can be up, or down, or both, or neither, at any time. To try to state conclusively what happened is like deciphering what goes on in a madhouse.
So this is like convicting someone of a crime on the basis of pure psychoanalyzing of the situation and NOTHING ELSE. NOTHING, NOTHING but psychobabble! You know something - there's profound danger in that. Unbelievable danger. You'd think conservatives would realize this.
When the state court reviewed the grand jury's decision to indict her, it wrote that it believed that if Carter hadn't told him to get back in the truck, he wouldn't have killed himself.
That is simply an absurd statement. Conrad Roy had been determined to kill himself for years and had apparently tried to get Michelle Carter to accept that.
Isn't it the case, just for starters, that people will tell people they want to kill themselves because they don't - they want help. These situations are onions with layers and layers.
Simply said, if you know anything about highly disturbed individuals, they're unpredictable. The demons in them want to destroy them and other people. If Carter had pleaded with him not to kill himself, he may very well have done it anyway.
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One or both might also be considered "borderline personality." 10% of people diagnosed with BPD kill themselves. But, for decades they've gotten little sympathy even from professionals. They're often the kind of person who goes to an ex boy or girlfriend's house and cuts their wrists, and once they're hospitalized, rages that their ex is being selfish not to stand by them and take care of them since they're sick and need understanding. See borderline personality disorder and manipulation. The word "crazymaking," as far as I know, came out of dealings with people with BPD.
Why is borderline personality disorder sometimes called "the crazy-making disorder"?:
Because living with a person with BPD can make you feel crazy. The hallmark of BPD is inconsistency. Trying to make sense of the other person’s rapid mood changes can be exhausting. Trying to help them can be incredibly frustrating, and crazy making. They are like energy sinks - there is never enough, and you are never enough. And then they hate you because you can't make them better. But they need you, so they won't let you go.
It's well known that there's typically anger in suicide, at least for adults. This young man wasn't insane or innocent, and he was the one who wanted for years to kill himself.
Tell ya what. I’m sure I can speak for ALL of us here when I say I would have paid a LITTLE more attention if I was a juror, to this case, than I did on a random thread on FR.
Relax. FR doesn’t have jurisdiction in the case. :)
Sorry..... if words are allowed to become a murder weapon, thus ends freedom of speech.
I’f my telling you to do something illegal, immoral or fattening causes you to do something stupid, that’s on you; not me.
Having said that, the evil lil beotch will answer one day to her Creator....
I agree with you. It’s like convicting someone on thoughtcrime since it’s totally a matter of pyschoanalyzing the situation. And I was outraged by the things she said. They were evil.
But after a little digging into the case, I’m not sure she was as evil as she seems, and he so innocent. See my post which is in two parts here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3561833/posts?page=53#53
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3561833/posts?page=54#54
He had wanted her to kill herself too with him, and she had tried to convince him to get help. One or both of them were likely personality-disordered, and those people are just very, very twisted. Relationships between two people like that can become destructively intertwined and fit for a madhouse.
Teenagers today are also known to exhibit narcissistic personality traits just because they’re teens and our society encourages it.
And teenagers aren’t equipped at all to deal with people with “personality disorders”. As the article I posted mention, a person with a PD drains the life out of other people. So, this all isn’t so clear-cut even to the question of blame, much less in the matter of someone convicting someone of something.
Are you sure you can speak for ALL the other people here?
You know something - I’ve spent a lot of time online arguing with liberals about just this over the years. Like in the Trayvon Martin case, they argued there was no reason to be careful about considering the evidence in online discussions, since the public isn’t a jury!
So we can be as IRRESPONSIBLE as we want! CORRECT?
They were still arguing over the evidence all over the internet, to the point of people getting death threats, but they had an IRRESPONSIBILITY CARD. Words are cheap & mean nothing outside of court so we can all lie, jump to whatever conclusions, and just not care! (Funny they were so passionate about those “meaningless” words - calling for Zimmeran’s head for x, y, z reasons).
I’ll tell you what - what happens in the court of public opinion matters a great deal and affects what happens in actual court. Because when people get accused, the public starts broadcasting it undisciplined, bitter, savage, bloodthirsty and unjust (meaning not caring what the truth really is) thoughts.
Social media frenzies are severely affecting our society.
It’s really troubling to see the irresponsible talk card pulled here, and if the need for responsible talk doesn’t matter to you, then I have to say, and I don’t at all say it lightly, I hope you’ll learn the hard way and get falsely accused of something - it’s happening all the time - and most people across the country, including here, will pillory you online for being guilty, and not care what the facts are when discussing your case because they’re just having a lazy discussion about it.
“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.” - Matthew 12:36
The Bible says STRAIGHT OUT that it’s a sin to convict the innocent, and to knowingly let the guilty go free. And we should not play with doing that in any way, shape or form, and lazily and irresponsibly consider and talk about people’s possible guilt or innocence, in the manner of irresponsible gossip if we’re not responsibly considering it.
Sorry, but your “victim” defendant is a sociopath, IMHO. The judge got it right. The bleeding heart side of the judge may come out in the sentencing phase where mitigating circumstances are considered.
Both of my parents were sociopathic. One died when I was growing up, but the other I received lots and losts of mental abuse and destructive treatment from over the decades. Given that, my first reaction to what she’d reportedly tweeted was anger at the evil of it.
But I also understand the law and what evidence is, and I tell you similar to what I said to someone else, perhaps you’ll be falsely accused of something and the rush to judgment on the internet and the playing around with judging people’s guilt will matter more to you then.
One thing I’m beginning to realize, too, is that the public’s knowledge of psychology varies so greatly that people don’t understand what’s involved here.
I studied what psychology calls personality disorders for decades, and my parents were that way, as I said. And I see from what’s come out that the dynamics of the relationship between these two likely affected what happened.
For instance, if he relentlessly bombarded her with the idea that she had to accept his suicide, and put the matter of his life and death on her, then if he changed his mind after all he’d put her through, she could be so angry due to the emotional roller coaster that she would encourage him to do it out of rage, and possibly thinking he wouldn’t since he’d just talked about for so long. Or, relationships like that can become so enmeshed that she could have felt she had no way of getting away from him. Look up how borderline people manipulate others making it extremely hard for them to pull away. She was just a teenager.
All that is enough for reasonable doubt - if we’re even to the point of putting people on trial for possibly influencing the decisions of other adults. This would be a totally different matter if he was a child, or she was a therapist. But she wasn’t his therapist, or his teacher, and he was an adult.
And, ultimately, he did it. She didn’t kill him or make him commit suicide. She didn’t make him suicidal. He had choices.
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