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Can a Divided America Survive?
Townhall.com ^ | June 15, 2017 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 06/15/2017 1:25:41 AM PDT by Kaslin

The United States is currently the world's oldest democracy.

But America is no more immune from collapse than were some of history's most stable and impressive consensual governments. Fifth-century Athens, Republican Rome, Renaissance Florence and Venice, and many of the elected governments of early 20th-century Western European states eventually destroyed themselves, went bankrupt or were overrun by invaders.

The United States is dividing as rarely before. Half the country, mostly liberal America, is concentrated in 146 of the nation's more than 3,000 counties -- in an area that collectively represents less than 10 percent of the U.S. land mass. The other half, the conservative Red states of the interior of America, is geographically, culturally, economically, politically and socially at odds with Blue-state America, which resides mostly on the two coasts.

The two Americas watch different news. They read very different books, listen to different music and watch different television shows. Increasingly, they now live lives according to two widely different traditions.

Barack Obama was elected president after compiling the most left-wing voting record in the U.S. Senate. His antidote, Donald Trump, was elected largely on the premise that traditional Republicans were hardly conservative.

Red America and Blue America are spiraling into divisions approaching those of 1860, or of the nihilistic hippie/straight divide of 1968.

Currently, some 27 percent of all Californians were not born in the United States. More than 40 million foreign-born immigrants currently reside in the U.S. -- the highest number in the nation's history.

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To: Kaslin
More than 40 million foreign-born immigrants currently reside in the U.S. -- the highest number in the nation's history.

Number?

But the PERCENTAGE has surely been much higher before!

61 posted on 06/15/2017 5:48:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: broken_arrow1
I have no doubt about the direction Texas will go,...nor do I doubt what direction California will go,

Go WHERE?

The United States of MEXICO??

How long would THAT last??

62 posted on 06/15/2017 5:49:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Think Zoro...... California will revert to a Spanish colonial state


63 posted on 06/15/2017 5:51:44 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: DrPretorius
The cities will descend into chaos with brutal savagery on short order.

Hollywood has shown the youth of this country what is their future in an abundance of dystopian movies.


Kids: it ain't gonna be space aliens or zombies out to get you!


64 posted on 06/15/2017 5:52:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Altura Ct.
Either the United States will return to a shared single language and allegiance to a common and singular culture, or it will eventually descend into clannish violence

Parents do NOT speak the 'same' language as their children!

65 posted on 06/15/2017 5:53:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

You have to face reality that this 320 million person empire is not working. Breaking up into regions countries is the only answer. It can be done peacefully without bloodshed. What you naysayers are committing the USA to is anarchy and bloody revolution. Be careful.


66 posted on 06/15/2017 5:53:24 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: spirited irish

You nailed it!


67 posted on 06/15/2017 5:54:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: The Cuban

So true!

Some folks think ‘history’ started in 1620.


68 posted on 06/15/2017 5:56:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bert
I prefer a 9.3 earthquake in San Francisco that would kill a lot of people and remove others from the game.

Revelation 16:21 NIV

From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.

69 posted on 06/15/2017 5:58:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: griswold3
They are rewriting history just like the Bolsheviks.


Zinn


70 posted on 06/15/2017 5:58:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ScottinVA
... the country will need to negotiate a regional split. It’s too divided to survive as a 50-state entity.

And just WHO will have the POWER to FORCE people to move?

71 posted on 06/15/2017 6:00:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: central_va

“Explain how CA reverts back to Mexico again?”

What is the hispanic population of California today? Have a Calexit with open borders liberals in charge and it would be flooded overnight and would be de facto Mexico.


72 posted on 06/15/2017 6:06:35 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: central_va
It can be done peacefully without bloodshed.

SURE it can!

73 posted on 06/15/2017 6:07:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: no-to-illegals

Surrender is not in my DNA.


74 posted on 06/15/2017 6:08:35 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: exDemMom

Yes, that is a quite accurate assessment.


75 posted on 06/15/2017 6:10:02 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: central_va

This is drawn based on the writings of Robert Heinlein in I believe The Cat That Walks Through Walls or Friday. I thought the eastern section was divided north and south but perhaps not. I also thought that the west coast was divided in much the same manner of current red and blue zones.

I may be confusing Heinlein with the Postman that had a similar theme

However, the reality is not really regional because the progressive enemy is located in the cities. That is, there are presently de facto city states isolated within less urban majority of the territory. The last election teaches that the population concentrated within the city states exceeds all the rest

76 posted on 06/15/2017 6:11:51 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: Kaslin

I have to disagree with you. A pure democracy is majority rule. The US is not majority rule, but is a constitutional republic. Yes, there are elements of democracy in the constitutional republic, but the US, taken as a whole, is not a democracy. If it were, Hillary Clinton would be president today.


77 posted on 06/15/2017 6:17:21 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Elsie; bert
The breakup of the USSR is a prime example.

Despite the best efforts of the federal government to "educate" the truth about states rights out of the population's group psyche since 1865, we are structurally still a republic so it would be good to remember that and what that actually means. There are a lot of layers of government going on here. Governors don't abdicate in the face of FedGov collapsing. A collapsed FedGov should be vied as a good thing so we can go back to republican fundamentals.

78 posted on 06/15/2017 6:20:20 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Elsie

79 posted on 06/15/2017 6:20:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Proverbs 22:6

Train up a child in the way he should go:
and when he is old, he will not depart from it.


80 posted on 06/15/2017 6:21:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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