Posted on 06/09/2017 12:48:42 PM PDT by LSUfan
Perhaps the most interesting part of the whole Chinese assessment is a few sentences near the end when the issue of war termination from the Japanese perspective is broached. It is noted that the entire goal of the Japanese war effort in spring 1942 was how to get the Americans to engage in “negotiations to end the war.” [停战谈判] Here, there is the ironic observation that the more victories that the Japanese side was able to achieve, the less palatable was the idea in the United States that Washington could negotiate with Tokyo. This point then shows a recognition that once wars are started, even when militarily successful, they may be extremely difficult to end.
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After we run out of our armed forces we’d have to hire mercenaries.
After we run out of our armed forces we’d have to hire mercenaries.
No need to capitulate. Just find a way to fight that is cheaper than the way the enemy fights and then hold out till he is bankrupt.
Why 1969? Why not 1963 or 1964? We could have done it just by not providing advisers or equipment. I sometimes wonder what this country would be like had we not fought the Vietnam war.
Not at all. All wars end. Most end pretty quickly, actually. It wasn't until we started heeding Liberal "military wisdom", like never using disproportionate force (we don't want to look like bullies!), using nearly impossible Rules of Engagement, actively attempting ZERO civilian casualties, tolerating the US ene-media to free lobby against wars while they are happening, etc etc etc. Wars end fastest when one side quits. Getting an enemy of ours to quit quickly is very easy to do... as long as we simply ignore Liberals.
I don’t see anything conservative about subsidizing European socialism by paying for their defense as were are doing with NATO, especially now when those countries are busy importing millions of people who want to destroy them. I also think there is nothing conservative about starting unending which wars we don’t try to win. I do not know what the correct balance of engagement is but I think if we had minded our own business and not engaged in Iraq, Lybia and Syria the world would probably be a more stable place. I think we should either try to win in Afghanistan or get out. We have spent a lot in terms of blood and treasure there in the last 5 years or so while doing not much of anything besides maintaining a presence.
We had no choice at all but to fight in Vietnam. That was where the Soviets and the Chinese chose to push their National Liberation War tactic (a sort of externally-supported civil war) and that particular battlefield was in the center of our SEATO allies and in a position to allow the Soviets command of the Straits of Malacca. You don't have to even have a globe in front of you to figure out how that would have affected Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, and even Australia.
Those of us with the patriotism and courage to do so fought ably for our country for over eight years. Low-intensity wars like Vietnam (and Afghanistan and Iraq) take time - decades even - if you're going to win. Your soulmates, the American Left ran a treasonous pro-enemy opposition movement masquerading as a "peace" movement (with the help of cowardly males here) that eventually gained control of Congress and that is what caused the end of our war.
In the end, there weren't anymore "National Liberation Wars" because the Sovs and the Chinese underestimated how much they would cost and were surprised that our young men were capable of what we did in Vietnam. To a very large extent, it was the vision of our courageous Americans combatants in Vietnam that cut back Soviet power and gave Reagan the leverage he needed to end the Cold War.
Cowardice won't protect us. The only thing between us and the vicious cruds out there are our brave military men and women and all the technological edge we can give them.
Aren't you at all embarrassed to even have young women, of all things, lining up to fight our enemies when you're willing to tell anyone who is willing to listen that you just want to hide out on your living room couch and pretend the cruds out there won't come for you?
The Chinese show a complete lack of understanding of the psyches of the Japanese and the Americans
Plus the one thing that people NEVER seem to consider is that we still are a God fearing Christian nation. When we are in dire straits we turned to our fundamental faith
In low-intensity wars you have two choices: attempt to protect the civilians and take longer or go all crazy and kill everybody in sight and finish quickly.
Personally, I'm proud of the way our country has chosen to fight, even if it does take longer.
Fight like WW2, finish like WW2.
The former Axis powers are so toothless now that the European ones are likely to capitulate to the slow-motion mahometan* invasion.
Fight like Vietnam, finish like Vietnam.
IMHO OIF was a combination. The invasion— 14 days to Baghdad— was a stunner. The occupation should have been done like Germany and Japan, but the squishes were too eager to set up a “friendly” indigenous government. SH should have been hanged by American soldiers, as were the top Nazis and similar Japanese.
The lessons of history, etc. etc. etc.
*Yeah, I know what *they* want me to call them. I just don’t care. How’s that for “islamoPHOBIA”.
That would only work if all their people would go home, too.
“To be followed by capitulation in Dearborn? Because it is a world War after all.”
It is a world war. And it is a war against islam - not terrorism. But very few understand that. So the only thing we are accomplishing in the ME right now is killing and maiming our soldiers and Marines and wasting trillions of dollars.
The only solution in the ME is medieval. Nothing else will work. If we are not willing to do that (and we are no where close) then we need to get the hell out.
Yeah somehow I don’t see the 1st Tranny Division taking Iwo.
I agree with your sentiment but would have to take it further. Iraq is nothing like Germany was and hanging a few hundred or a few thousand ‘bad guys’ would have accomplished nothing.
You want to fix Iraq etc.? For an example of the only model that has ever worked on an islamic country see Spanish history. Everything else is just talk.
Going into a foreign war with no particular American interests at stake is not 'heroic', but far too frequent. The yellow press has been fomenting various wars since the Maine blew up.
Read Smedley Butler's short book: War is a Racket.
We should probably try more of the kill the enemy thing in Afghanistan or leave. 16 years of our military in Afghanistan is just ridiculous. My son went from a sophomore in high school to Army Captain in the time we have been involved in Afghanistan. At the rate we are going maybe we will win it in another 30 - 40 years or so. As far as NATO goes, their reason for existence went away 30 years ago. Europe’s biggest threat now is the one they are happily importing and we can’t protect them from that. I would be good with pulling out of both NATO and Afghanistan and letting them work their own issues out.
C'mon - manhood in this country hasn't fallen that far, has it?
I agree with pulling out of the ME. None of our ‘achievements’ there justify our continued involvement.
But the long term solution is to ditch the Geneva Conventions and go back to total war on our enemies.
"They" come here everyday by the thousands either as so-called refugees, visa overstays or just cross our borders illegally. Trump talked a good game during the election, but it seems a few leftist black-robed democrats can give him the finger and declare he has no power without much push-back.
No, my position is that after 16 years invested we need to either win it or cut our losses. I am not a great strategic thinker but it seems to me that we were much closer to winning in 2012 than we are now in terms of area controlled. Is your position that we should stay there for decades, spend lots more money, give up more ground and get more of our people killed without trying to win? That is what I think we have pretty much been doing for the past few years. What we are doing in Afghanistan looks like the definition of insanity to me, time to try something different.
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