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First the M9, Now the M16? Army Seeks Replacement for AR
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| 5/12/2017
| Scott Walker
Posted on 05/20/2017 9:07:10 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: yarddog
That would be a good pick, as well.
To: Elderberry
Projectile weapons are so last century.
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posted on
05/20/2017 9:39:27 PM PDT
by
CodeToad
(If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
To: Blood of Tyrants
Thanks for the test results. 06 is still an excellent cartridge.
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posted on
05/20/2017 10:31:28 PM PDT
by
Texas Fossil
((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
To: Texas Fossil
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posted on
05/20/2017 11:09:59 PM PDT
by
Squantos
(Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
To: AlaskaErik
Do you feel the same way about heavy machine guns? Because Ma Deuce is almost 100 years old.The M2 is not a battlefield rifle, carried by infantry.
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posted on
05/21/2017 4:04:17 AM PDT
by
Erik Latranyi
(The largest and most dangerous hate-group in the US is now the Democratic Party)
To: RC one
The Stoner design has earned its stripes the hard way. I would be hesitant to scrap it just because the design is old. The design works very well despite its age. There is always room for improvement of course. The incorporation of an adjustable gas bleed off valve would be useful for example. and, not to sound like a fanatic, but chambering it in 6.5 Creedmoor would be a huge improvement too.You made the case for replacing it in your own post.
The successor does not have to be revolutionary, it can be evolutionary or retain many of the design-elements that make the Stoner design robust.
However, there are many newer designs out there that are far, far more superior for a battlefield rifle.
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posted on
05/21/2017 4:06:56 AM PDT
by
Erik Latranyi
(The largest and most dangerous hate-group in the US is now the Democratic Party)
To: niteowl77; All
—saw article on that subject in one of the gun magazines some years ago-—if the 6m/m Lee-Navy had had the powder and case capacity (smaller) allowed by better powder, it would likely still be the standard military caliber world wide-—
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posted on
05/21/2017 5:34:16 AM PDT
by
rellimpank
(--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
To: PAR35
They were using Martini-Henrys at Rorke’s Drift.
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posted on
05/21/2017 6:33:44 AM PDT
by
GenXteacher
(You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
To: Elderberry
Just move up to 7.62 NATO. That saves the ammunition production headaches of starting up a new caliber and keeps any ammo reserves viable.
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posted on
05/21/2017 6:37:24 AM PDT
by
GenXteacher
(You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
To: Squantos
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posted on
05/21/2017 10:34:40 AM PDT
by
Texas Fossil
((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
To: Erik Latranyi
You made the case for replacing it in your own postNo, I made the case for not replacing it simply because it is old. I think it's still a useful and proven design that has evolved into its present form over the course of decades of warfare and there's something to be said for that. I also think the reliability and lethality issues are overstated.
I carried an M16A2 around for 8 years as an infantry soldier and have owned numerous AR15s and Ar10s as a civilian. I reload for these rifles regularly and am very familiar with the subject of external ballistics. I think I am at least a little bit qualified to judge the weapon.
My primary concern is the trend towards shorter barrels/M4s. The 5.56mm needs all the velocity it can muster to be effective. I also have concerns about the new M855A1 ammo. It seems like it isn't quite what was promised. I really don't have the time to dive into this topic as much as I would like to right now as I'm heading off to work.
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posted on
05/21/2017 1:25:44 PM PDT
by
RC one
(The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
To: rellimpank
I just finished reading Popenker and Williams' book "Assault Rifle," and they also mention the 6mm Lee Navy as being ahead of its time. The propellant technology and bullet designs were just not mature enough to keep the major powers from going to the .30 through 7.92 calibers even though many of the theorists of the time said that somewhere from 6-7mm was the answer.
Mr. niteowl77
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posted on
05/21/2017 4:37:52 PM PDT
by
niteowl77
(Trust- but verify.)
To: Elderberry
The M4 5.56 platform for the military isn’t going anywhere. They MAY move to a different round, a slightly different rifle style, and probably new suppliers for a standard issue battlefield rifle, but the 5.56 AR will survive if only in the shorter barrel rifle outfits. There isn’t much better than a 10.5” H&K 416 for short range (close quarters) clearing. It is also the perfect home defense weapon IF you are trained with the rifle. If Trump and co. would simply repeal the NFA, we could all have one without govt. interference.
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posted on
05/21/2017 9:22:41 PM PDT
by
1L
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