Army Secretary Nominee: Citizens Should Have Same Arms As Military

Bearing Arms ^ | May 2, 2017 | By Bob Owens

[crabpott]

We should,at the minimum, be allowed the equipment your local police force has available.

[crabpott]

We should,at the minimum, be allowed the equipment your local police force has available.

[WKUHilltopper]

For later

[PapaBear3625]

I suspect, however, that an aircraft carrier (even without the air wing, much less the battle group) is more expensive in real terms than any American privately owned armed vessel was in the late 18th/early 19th Centuries. Probably more expensive than a Ship of the Line was.

Looking at warship price as a percentage of GDP, the HMS Victory was 0.07% of Britain's GDP at the time, while 1980's British carrier HMS Invincible was 0.08% of Brit GDP at the time of launch.

[archy]

Happiness is a warm mortar tube.

Around fifteen hundred bucks for a starter Yugo M57 copy of a US M19 60mm. You'll still have some work to do, and the indirect sights to fit and boresight, but all the US parts, accessories and ammo fit and work. Dummy target range rounds start at around $35 each. Live HE rounds with the HE filler removed at around $100st time I looked.

Hang! Fire! POONK!

[NorthMountain]

The question should not be “what are We the People” allowed to have?” The question should be “what do We the People allow our government to have?”

[NorthMountain]

Interesting article. Thanks.

[NorthMountain]

Nice ... but the 1000yd range at my gun club isn’t quite big enough.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Field artillery? Maybe not!***

Why not? Citizens used to could buy them!

Then the Washington Post went livid!

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***he mentions aircraft carriers.***

I wants me one of those! Then get me some “Letters of Marque and Reprisal” and go a pirating!

[archy]

In the article, he mentions aircraft carriers. And he's right. They may be prohibitively expensive, but they're protected by the Second Amendment.

Just for fun, I checked with one marine equipment dealer and broker I've dealt with in the past. No carriers in stock right now, but he had one up for grabs at 12 million a few years back, a steal when you consider the as-built price or compare it to a 300-foot yacht. Minimal staffing with 70-75 crewmen, automation of some navs and com facilities possible.

He does have a very nice little 75' Landing Craft, Mechanised available for lease at round $5000/day, crew 2/day, 3/night.

[going hot]

If you have a place to put one, and enough yard or range to stretch from it's location to the impact zone, and everything in between, then why not?

Is it a matter of trust?

Is it a matter of size?

Is having military arms for the citizenry confined to small calibers?

Does infringement have a threshold?

[PapaBear3625]

In the article, he mentions aircraft carriers. And he's right. They may be prohibitively expensive, but they're protected by the Second Amendment.

The USS Gerald Ford is listed as having cost $13B. We have at least 30 Americans with the assets to afford that. An Arleigh Burke-class destroyer costs a little under $2B.

I would not be surprised if Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos wouldn't like to have their own armed yacht, for SHTF scenarios.

[NorthMountain]

I observe that several of the decommissioned “Oliver Hazard Perry” class frigates are being held for possible future sale. They might make a cute toy for somebody with a lot of money.

[Hebrews 11:6]

Anything short of nuclear, bio, or chem

I agree on these limits, for this reason: if the US government decides to use those against its citizens, no matching deterrents would avail because no citizens would remain to implement them. Those are instruments of international, not intranational, warfare.

[RinaseaofDs]

Sounds presidential to me.

[PROCON]

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[FNU LNU]

In our system of government, the government has no power that is not delegated to it by the people. If the people don’t have the right to own a particular weapon, say a M-14 or a hydrogen bomb, how can they delegate that right to the government?

[Reno89519]

Same as military? Not sure I agree with that. Same as the police, absolutely. Does my neighbor need a Howitzer? RGP?

[SecAmndmt]

There are folks here who ridicule the concept as outdated.

Truth be told, private actors taking out terrorist leaders is a great concept, and far more cost effective than a full military operation.