Thanks to Franklin. So you are articulating the claim that our legitimacy is solely based on the fact that the long time enemy of Briton could be charmed by Franklin into "recognizing" us? Funny, the Declaration states it is a natural right, and doesn't mention anything about it requiring the approval of other nations.
But Jeff Davis was.
Jeff Davis never had control of the war. Only Lincoln had control. Lincoln could stop it or keep it going. Jeff Davis could only deal with what Lincoln threw at him. Lincoln was the linchpin upon which the deaths hinged. It was by his will that these people died.
I've noticed that people keep talking about the North invading the South or the South invading the North, how do you invade your own country?
Stop trying to force your premises on the debate. By the standards established by our own founding, the South had their own country. The assertion that they did not is simply a narrative that the Union apologists insist on pushing to justify what they did.
Not until the Confederacy, for reasons that they alone determined, decided to initiate hostilities by firing on Sumter.
The hostilities were initiated by rendezvousing a Naval flotilla off the coast of Charleston with secret orders. As I've pointed out numerous times, even Major Anderson realized this was a cause of War. Indeed, the orders to bombard the Fort were contingent on the arrival of another Ship to that flotilla of warships.
You don't put warships in people's face and expect them to just sit there waiting for the cannons to open up on them.
So the South started the war for financial reasons and not slavery?
There you go trying to force your premise on me. The South started independence for several reasons, and chief among them was money. The Union started the War only because of money. 40% of all the South's production was being siphoned off by New York.
Yes, the Union went to war to get that money and control back.
Since slavery was the pillar of their economy and their society how would you separate the two?
Who is suggesting that they be separated? They are different sides of the same coin so far as that time and place were concerned. Yes, the economic engine of the South was Slavery, but neither they or the powers that be in the North East cared about where the money came from.
The South simply wanted to keep more of it, and the North East simply wanted their 40% cut of all the South's production to keep streaming into their pockets.
It was a war of greed, but with a pretend veneer of morality subsequently laid over it to obscure the truth.
Looks like the South could have used a few more Franklins and fewer Mason and Slidell's. They could have avoided the whole shootin' match entirely, so to speak.
So you are articulating the claim that our legitimacy is solely based on the fact that the long time enemy of Briton could be charmed by Franklin into "recognizing" us? Funny, the Declaration states it is a natural right, and doesn't mention anything about it requiring the approval of other nations.
The funny thing is that you can issue all the declarations you want and claim to the heavens that you are a by-God independent nation, but unless the other countries of the world agree with you and recognize you as such you're nothing but a hunk of land with a piece of paper and delusions of sovereignty. Agree or disagree, it's just a fact of life.
Jeff Davis never had control of the war. Only Lincoln had control.
Now you're just being silly. Of course Davis had control of the war. He could have not ordered it to begin. And like the only choice you offer Lincoln, Davis could have surrendered at any time.
Stop trying to force your premises on the debate. By the standards established by our own founding, the South had their own country. The assertion that they did not is simply a narrative that the Union apologists insist on pushing to justify what they did.
The hostilities were initiated by rendezvousing a Naval flotilla off the coast of Charleston with secret orders. As I've pointed out numerous times, even Major Anderson realized this was a cause of War. Indeed, the orders to bombard the Fort were contingent on the arrival of another Ship to that flotilla of warships.
Secret orders...which Lincoln conveyed to Governor Pickens long before the ships arrived. Some secret. The Confederates knew that the purpose behind the ships was resupply and not reinforcement. They had the choice between war and status quo. They chose war.
The South simply wanted to keep more of it, and the North East simply wanted their 40% cut of all the South's production to keep streaming into their pockets.
Drifted into silly again, I see.