Posted on 04/12/2017 5:11:29 PM PDT by ColdOne
That is what is being reported.
Perhaps rice balls. I have an excellent recipe.
Where is that being reported?
Well there is that but sometimes it takes someone to stand up & get knocked down to get justice for the rest of us. Would I have done it? Probably not unless I had no other way to get somewhere I really wanted to be.
I probably would have hired a limo and paid the $65/hr for outbound and the limo return, $650 if I really needed to get home that night. I also am very leery of booking the last flight out which this was.(For my kids, I rarely fly because of TSA & airline garbage).
But I would have known I was being a coward & not sticking up for my rights, eroding the rule of law by taking the easy road. This guy didn’t and I feel I owe it to him to keep the story straight. Illegitimi non carborundum
Ok dont let the bastards wear you down
You know the worst way to tell the bastards who you are?
Fly above the radar
Lots of flak in the air, this guy may slip through.
Maybe not
Sounds like a bribe to me.
I like Italian wedding soup
Its mostly anecdotal, with people reporting it in their comments about the video. I can’t r/o that its hearsay. I’ve been so many places I can’t back track them all.
This is one of the articles that talks about his behavior and the sequence of events which seemed credible to me.
http://wtvr.com/2017/04/12/united-fallout-two-more-officers-placed-on-leave/
and this narrated video You can skip to the 1:45 mark where she shows the video and explains the back story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmxcTtS22u8
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Possession of the seat. While he’s in it with a paid ticket he can’t be taken off unless he breaks the rules. He has to volunteer. Once he is out of his seat he is a “volunteer” and he is entitled to the compensation for volunteers which will not get him to work in the am.
The Aussies have a saying “The tall poppies get cut”. It seemed odd to me because in America we don’t often think that way, we try to excel. It taught me something about Aussies.
would people be happier if the crew that needed to board the plane didn't get to their destination backing up airline traffic in many airports and delaying thousands from their destination?...
besides the so called doctor has "issues" to say the least....
For the 97th time the airline is not allowed to remove someone from their seat because the airline wants the seat. Once a person is seated the airline needs a cause to remove. It is very clearly stated in their own rules on their website. The CEO admitted they were wrong and said it should never have happened and it will never happen again.
We don’t get to treat someone like a nonperson because they have committed and were punished for a crime in the past. They have the same rights as any other citizen except as mandated by law such as not being able to vote in some situations or have a liquor or gun license.
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx#sec9
I do see this though:
Safety – Whenever refusal or removal of a Passenger may be necessary for the safety of such Passenger or other Passengers or members of the crew including, but not limited to:
Passengers whose conduct is disorderly, offensive, abusive, or violent;
Passengers who fail to comply with or interfere with the duties of the members of the flight crew, federal regulations, or security directives;
Passengers who assault any employee of UA, including the gate agents and flight crew, or any UA Passenger;
Passengers who, through and as a result of their conduct, cause a disturbance such that the captain or member of the cockpit crew must leave the cockpit in order to attend to the disturbance;
You do know that there were three other passengers that were "involuntarly" removed from the aircraft after boarding without incident, right?
The section you have posted are what some people have tried to use but it is not applicable because there was no saftey issue. He was neither disorderly, offensive, abusive, or violent.
The conditions of carriage are fairly long and I have posted them twice. I don’t think its fair to take up the bandwidth to post them again as they are on United’s site.
The short answer to your question is that when there are ~15 reasons you can be removed then if none of those reasons is true you can’t be removed. Otherwise they would have had a reason such as or any time the crew has a reason sufficient to them or they wouldn’t have bothered listing reasons just stated that the captain has sole authority and can remove you for any reason or no reason.
The section begins” UA shall have the right to refuse to transport or shall have the right to remove from the aircraft at any point, any Passenger for the following reasons:...
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx#sec21
United must own some business jets — or they could certainly have charted one for the occasion. In retrospect, this was an extreme example of “penny wise and Pound foolish”.
The airline has right to ask you to volunteer but no right to force you. The people that left chose to do so, David Dao did not.
Next thing ya know, you’ll be telling me Barack Hussein Odunga is an American citizen!
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