Posted on 03/27/2017 10:22:21 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
The day before he announced to reporters that Donald Trump may have been incidentally monitored by U.S. intelligence agencies during the transition, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes met with the source of that information at the White House, a Nunes spokesman told NBC News.
"Chairman Nunes met with his source at the White House grounds in order to have proximity to a secure location where he could view the information provided by the source," said his spokesman, Jack Langer. "The chairman is extremely concerned by the possible improper unmasking of names of U.S. citizens, and he began looking into this issue even before President Trump tweeted his assertion that (Trump Tower) had been wiretapped."
Nunes has declined to say who provided the intelligence reports he referenced, but his admission that he met with his source at the White House is fueling suspicions among Democrats that his source was someone close to Trump.
It's unclear why Nunes would have to go to the White House to seek a secure location to view classified material, since his own committee has a secure room in the Capitol where Nunes and his aides review secret documents on a daily basis.
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Doesn’t matter. Ryan told him. I have already had a thread on this today. Info posted there.
What thread? I missed it.
[What thread? I missed it.]
It’s here - see 23, 34, 36
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3538386/posts
Sorry, I must be blind as a bat. I can’t see mention of Paul Ryan.
Not sure if the article is authentic/ truthful, but we do know from his first briefing, Nunes said he briefed Paul Ryan first, before the White House. So it is possible Ryan told him to go to the White House next.
Post 9
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3538386/posts?page=9#9
To: mac_truck
Palmerreport is dodgy but it brings up an interesting point
Ryan
https://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/paul-ryan-devin-nunes-donald-trump-russia/2029/
9 posted on 3/27/2017, 9:43:12 AM by RummyChick
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Chris Montgomery is I believe in Seattle, and is suffering with a brain aneurysm. His “representative” has access to, or possession of, his NSA collection.
Montgomery did the nefarious stuff, personally, for our government. Nothing is second hand.
I am surmising about this Montgomery guy being the evidence. Montgomery’s representative finally got Nunes to listen.
The president seems, obviously, to want justice to come from the Hill, through the work of these investigative committees.
Frankly, Trump probably had to shove the evidence down Nunes throat to wake him up.
I mean, if I have heard about the evidence, certainly Trump literally *has* the evidence in his hand.
- - - They better have a FISA warrant to authorize this spying, or I think it’s illegal. - - -
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According to info posted by Grampa Dave — extensive — they would be using a later spy tool, and does not need warrant.
Suggest you go to Grampa Dave posting history and go down and go down looking for long posts. He has repeated it in numerous posts, back days ago.
Called IIRC: MUSCULAR. Find it in wiki.
- - - Frankly, Trump probably had to shove the evidence down Nunes throat to wake him up. - - -
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I thought it was his lawyer, Klayman, who did that.
Like threatened if he didn’t release it, Klayman would IIRC.
What if one or more of the minority committee members are involved in the snooping/leaking?
YES, you have it right in your Post #4.
Nunes knows Washington, D.C.
He knows the demonic-Rats and their cohorts the press.
He knows he’s followed everywhere!
Why was obama allowed to take all the computers from the White House and then had all new computers installed. I assume all the data and servers remained at the whitehouse since it’s government property.
Did Obama take evidence that he had been bugging / wire tapping Trump for a long time. Why has this information not come forward. I am sure Nunes and Gowdy are on top of it. But you wonder what the hell is going on in America.
“They better have a FISA warrant to authorize this spying, or I think it’s illegal. And if they do have a FISA warrant, then I want to see the warrant and the filings that led to the issuance of the warrant. Was the affidavit supporting the request for the warrant signed by someone from the Clinton campaign? If so, then they better have more evidence that a crime has been committed than they seem to have, and they better have not shared any of the information obtained with Clinton. Otherwise, it is apparent that this investigation is nothing but a Clinton campaign operation.”
There is a lomg history of our agreement where the Brits spied on our people and we spied on their people for 7+ decades. Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.
“It couldn’t possibly be true, because that is not how our system works,” Pelosi said during a Christian Science Monitor breakfast in Washington.
“We do not investigate, through a FISA court, Americans — here or abroad.”
Well, Nancy how about this: Part two of ??? parts history of our agreement where the Brits spied on our people and we spied on their people for 7+ decades. Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.
MUSCULAR (surveillance program)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
MUSCULAR (DS-200B), located in the United Kingdom,[1] is the name of a surveillance programme jointly operated by Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) that was revealed by documents which were released by Edward Snowden and interviews with knowledgeable officials.[2] GCHQ is the primary operator of the program.[1]
GCHQ and the National Security Agency have secretly broken into the main communications links that connect the data centers of Yahoo! and Google.[3]Substantive information about the program was made public at the end of October 2013.
Contents:
1 Overview
2 Operational details
3 Reactions and countermeasures
4 Gallery
5 See also
6 References
7 External links
Overview:
The programme is jointly run by:
– Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) (United Kingdom)
– U.S. National Security Agency (NSA)
MUSCULAR is one of at least four other similar programs that rely on a trusted 2nd party, programs which together are known as WINDSTOP.
In a 30-day period from December 2012 to January 2013, MUSCULAR was responsible for collecting 181 million records. It was however dwarfed by another WINDSTOP program known (insofar) only by its code DS-300 and codename INCENSER, which collected over 14 billion records in the same period.[4]
Operational details:
According to the leaked document the NSA’s acquisitions directorate sends millions of records every day from internal Yahoo! and Google networks to data warehouses at the agency’s headquarters at Fort Meade, Maryland.
The programme operates via an access point known as DS-200B, which is outside the United States, and it relies on an unnamed telecommunications operator to provide secret access for the NSA and the GCHQ.[3]
According to the Washington Post, the MUSCULAR program collects more than twice as many data points (“selectors” in NSA jargon) compared to the better known PRISM.[2]
Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.
Because of the huge amount of data involved, MUSCULAR has presented a special challenge to NSA’s Special Source Operations. For example, when Yahoo! decided to migrate a large amount of mailboxes between its data centers, the NSA’s PINWALE database (their primary analytical database for the Internet) was quickly overwhelmed with the data coming from MUSCULAR.[5]
Closely related programmes are called INCENSER and TURMOIL. TURMOIL, belonging to the NSA, is a system for processing the data collected from MUSCULAR.[1]
According to a post-it style note from the presentation, the exploitation relied on the fact that (at the time at least) data was transmitted unencrypted inside Google’s private cloud, with “Google Front End Servers” stripping and respectively adding back SSL from/to external connections.
According to the Washington Post: “Two engineers with close ties to Google exploded in profanity when they saw the drawing.” After the information about MUSCULAR was published by the press, Google announced that it was working on deploying encrypted communication between its datacenters.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR_(surveillance_program)
Wouldn’t surprise me at all. Please, don’t misunderstand.. for the greater good I am grateful Nunes broke protocol. My point is only that Nunes did break protocol, giving the Committee a clear path to moan and groan about it. I just hope it does not jeopardize his position now, as remaining chairman.
Democrats are going to try to oust him, try him in the media, and ASAP.
Technically, I believe you are correct that Klayman has appealed on behalf of Montgomery, the Whistle Blower. Freedom Works said it was they who sent an appeal to the entire Intelligence Committee, to hear Montgomery’s evidence. There was no response.
I figure the Whistle Blower info was then sent to TRUMP, as well.
Since the Intel Committee ignored it is, including Nunes, is why I wondered if Trump didn’t finally have to “shove it down his throat”, so to speak. But yes, it was Klayman who penned the letter on behalf of Montgomery, to so many.
Hey, thank you very much! I get the picture now. If true, Ryan let Nunes hang himself with his own committee on protocols relating to the Committee.
I just hope he is not replaced as chairman. He did us all a favor, but wow.. he may have shot himself in the foot being so naive. A Chairman should be smart enough to BE a chairman, and collaborate at all times with his own committee rules and procedures.
Perhaps Nunes decided this was so BIG, he simply took the risk to his chairmanship.
From what I’ve read the counter espionage law authorizes surveillance without warrants against the target but if they intercept conversations of innocent Americans then they need to treat them in a certain way but apparently they did not. And that suggests that the intercept was not merely incidental. In addition Comey himself says they were investigating Trump so that means it clearly was not incidental. If they had no power to investigate under the counter espionage law then they need a warrant.
Whatever was on the WH computers should be on official backup—unless Obama’s crew have managed to corrupt that as well, which would, if exposed, add another coverup scandal in its own right.
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