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1 posted on 03/25/2017 11:20:07 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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This article is 100% pure HOGWASH!!! He was against things like paying for you forgiveness with Indulgences. He was against the things that were wrong in the church. Go back and read about some of the very bad popes including the one who tried to have a Luther KILLED.


2 posted on 03/25/2017 11:31:18 PM PDT by buffyt (Humane Societies are proudly No Kill. When will Planned Parenthood be No Kill!??!?!!?!?!?!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Well a state church had it coming sooner or later. I do not mourn that one iota.


3 posted on 03/25/2017 11:32:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
"His defiant stand gave voice to a sentiment that would eventually provide legitimation for disobeying all forms of authority."

Luther was railing against obvious abuses of those entrusted with positions of authority. Not *all* forms.

4 posted on 03/25/2017 11:38:58 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I understand that the Pope is headed to Wittenberg for reconciliation this October for the 500th anniversary of Luther’s nailing the 95 theses on the door.


11 posted on 03/26/2017 2:20:57 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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The author, Frank Furedi, is a founder of the ‘Revolutionary Communist Party’.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Furedi


14 posted on 03/26/2017 4:05:43 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Luther started the process, but it was Calvin who really legitimised the idea of burning Catholics at the stake.


15 posted on 03/26/2017 4:28:28 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Bring back lords and kings)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
It is perhaps better to pose the question as "who is the final judge when traditional sources of authority fall into opposition?"

There are three sources of authority: scripture, authority, and right reason. In principle, all three should be in harmony and should operate so as to reinforce one another. But since the world is complicated, and since people ask complicated questions and fall into error, conflicts do arise.

The immediate question for Luther was how to respond when "authority," in the form of the hierarchy of his day, had fallen into obvious error. Luther argued for the primacy of scripture as understood through right reason. The status of hierarchial "authority" rested ultimately on the deference owed to a teacher who has devoted his life to the study of scripture, including the historical exegesis of the church, as guided by reason disciplined by a lifetime of prayer and rigorous personal discipline.

Luther held such authority in high regard. He did not challenge it lightly. And he certainly did not think laymen should run off and invent their own theologies at the drop of a hat. Luther had a deep respect for learning, and for the class of people (the clergy) who had devoted their lives to its pursuit.

The issue, however, was that much of the hierarchy of Luther's day had fallen into grievous and obvious error and, in doing so, had forfeited the deference that would otherwise come naturally. When the Pope acted like a petty Italian warlord, with the higher clergy often living in scandalous luxury, with cardinals and bishops keeping mistresses and treating church properties as tokens in dynastic intrigues, continued deference would have required a willful closing of one's eyes.

That said, I presume that Luther would have stayed within the church had the Pope not forced his hand. Luther didn't leave voluntarily; he was excommunicated. And he refused to recant because he was being ordered to perjure himself (a mortal sin) by a clearly corrupt judge. And so: when the judge is corrupt, who is the final authority?

17 posted on 03/26/2017 4:31:44 AM PDT by sphinx
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As a Missouri Synod Lutheran, I still have zero interest in reconciling with the catholic church.

Many of Luther’s issues with the catholic church remain as issues to me today. They may have finally ended the selling of indulgences, but other important issues remain unresolved.


19 posted on 03/26/2017 4:49:59 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely - and Luther saw the result in the very human institution of the Roman Catholic Church. It could no longer claim many aspects of its writ were either “divine” or “divinely inspired”.


29 posted on 03/26/2017 5:45:49 AM PDT by Wuli
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Ping


30 posted on 03/26/2017 6:07:10 AM PDT by stylecouncilor ("The future ain't what it used to be." Yogi Berra)
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there is a vast difference between authority as exercised in the world today, and absolute authority as exercised by Popes and monarchs of yesterday.


31 posted on 03/26/2017 6:14:15 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
a chain of events that fundamentally undermined the idea of authority itself.

PRESUMED authority maybe ...

32 posted on 03/26/2017 6:18:12 AM PDT by IronJack
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The perversion of the Catholic church was easy to see.


34 posted on 03/26/2017 6:50:49 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticides, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Poor old Luther .. (no I am not a Lutheran) but the war against him misses who really has authority .. since the beginning .. and authority, sure was NOT passed off to some ‘man’ elected’ character calling himself ‘holy father’...

The next reformation will leave NO doubt about WHO has authority and WHO is in control.


37 posted on 03/26/2017 8:22:13 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The Word of God was not enough..along came “religion”, a particular system of faith and worship...becoming a kaleidoscope of faiths, many were forms of law and order...none are better than other.


38 posted on 03/26/2017 8:36:46 AM PDT by yoe
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The ideas set out by Martin Luther sparked a Holocaust against the Jews. He laid out the 7 point plan.
42 posted on 03/26/2017 6:00:48 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
It is unlikely that Martin Luther set out to shatter authority.

And you can still find FR Catholics that swear by the AUTHORITY of the One, True Church!

48 posted on 03/27/2017 4:12:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“My arse is broken” Martin Luther


61 posted on 03/27/2017 4:48:36 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Hillary is Ameritrash, pass it on)
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