[The_Republic_Of_Maine]

How can keeping obamacare be a victory?

No, we will not be sending checks to the Maine GOP this ear.

[Vlad The Inhaler]

LITTLE RYAN AT THE BAT

The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the GOPe that day.
The vote stood more than 20 shy; the looming clouds were gray.
But when Moderates shook their fists and conservatives said "No bill!"
A pall-like deathly silence fell upon the Rulers Of The Hill

A sneer appeared on Ryan’s lip, as he gazed up at the clock
He pounds with cruel authority, his gavel on the block
And now the clerk calls for the vote, and now he adds it up
And now the air is shattered by the force of Ryan's "NO!"

Oh, somewhere in this favoured land the sun is shining bright,
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light;
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout,
But there is no joy in Swampville—Little Ryan has struck out.

[LostPassword]

If the freedom caucus’s goal is to be “the party of no” then it was a win.
If not, they need to figure out how to either
1) convince others to accept their (and my) ideas & preferences
2) negotiate with the rest of the party (includes compromise if option 1 failed)

It’s likely that Ryan just totally bungled this, and future legislation will be handled different. It’s still not a victory for anyone.

They still have moderates that need to be persuaded or negotiated with. If you call this a victory, you’d have to call it a victory if this year results in
1) No tax reform bill
2) No immigration reform legislation (includes funding the wall)
3) No good budget bills
4) An Omnicrap budget at the end of the year

All the big legislation has moderates opposed to the freedom caucus. Nothing will happen if both ends of the party are unable to persuade the other and unwilling to compromise.

If it’s easier to pull 30 Ds from the crazy party than 30 Rs from the freedom caucus, Trump will try that approach.

[ez]

I am now counting the days until Trump issues a waiver to all Americans to opt out of Obamacare if they want. Why are we obsessing over the details of the sausage-making?

Waivers are the coin of the realm as established by Obama himself. Let’s just get this done.

[RightInTheMain]

I respectfully disagree, there are so many reasons why:

* Trump and the GOP campaigned on solving the problem, they have not

* Saying we will wait for it to “explode” sounds good, but it’s not viewed as leadership

* No matter what happens with Obamacare, the apparent assumption is that the Dems would be blamed (they never will) and that suddenly the Dems will be willing to work with Trump and Ryan to pass this bill (it will never happen)

* This was a massive political miscalculation which will now constrain the size of the individual and business tax cuts.

* Many here keep saying, replacing Obamacare with Ryan care is just Obamacare lite. Perhaps that is true to some degree. But I’d rather have Obamacare lite with an HHS secretary able to scuttle it for 8 years than lose my momentum, lose the size of the tax cut, lose the image of a great deal maker, bolster the dem base, deflate the gop base. This was very shortsighted.

* I love to stand on principle too. However, the pragmatic view is that this is most likely as conservative a government you will see for the rest of your life. This arrangement of government will not last Trump’s entire administration. We might get 4 years of it.

* Stating this is 4D Chess move to get rid of Ryan is crazy. I’m no fan of Ryan, but Trump would not accept failure on a major campaign promise during his first 100 days to possibly get rid of Ryan.

[dynoman]

Is it true the House Freedom Caucus is backed by the nevertrump Koch brothers??

[jmaroneps37]

This was a big “F%^K YOU GO AWAY” to the American people from the scumbags in the Freedom Caucus.

Question: WHAT HAS THE FREEDOM CAUCUS EVER DONE FOR US? We now know what this bunch of “conservatives” has done TO US but what have they ever done FOR US?

For me they remind me of why I am no longer a Republican.

[GailA]

Spot on, I’d call this a switch and bait that is Ryancare is still a lighter version of DUMBOCARE.

Nor did they divorce themselves from Big Pharma, (greasing palms) lawyers, lobbyist (former congress critters) and Ins companies. NO ONE LISTEN TO THE PATIENTS or PEOPLE. It was a total SHAM. And deserved to die. Or use the Stevens Act to break up Big Pharma and Big ins companies that dominate health care and set prices on every thing. Until we get all former congress out of the picture forever will still have Quid Pro Quo, you grease my hand I’ll grease yours.

Yes there needs to be protection for pre-existing health issues with in a insurance pool, slightly higher premiums and co-pay, as they need more health care. They didn’t ask for what put them in a wheel chair, bedridden or what disease they have, genes, chem exposures, having your limbs blown off in Iraq or Afghanistan or your guts damaged for life, a lot more goes into having a Chronic Illness, much of it brought into the USA via Refugees and Illegals.

This latest mumps vaccine was a failure. FDA needs reforming. They leave bad drugs on the market. Take Nexium it’s a blooming 2-4 week drug, NEVER should have gone OTC. Take it to long and you get OP brittle bones, it is a bone destruction drug. ALL OP drugs for that are FDA Flagged for some nasty reasons A-Fib is only 1. Forteo also has a Black Box warning which is the highest, for Bone Cancer, and the FDA hides the death stats in the broken hip death complications stats.

I’ve been doing a lot of research on those drugs as the first low dose of Fosamax sent me to the ER with A-FIB the doc NEVER WARNED ME ABOUT, and my 16 yr old grand daughter developed RA and Fibromyalgia after she had the Gardasil vaccine. I is not really a HPV vaccine, but A STD which is why they are pushing it on boys. The Vaccine covers 8 of the nearly 40 strains, Gardasil NONE should have gone to market. Docs don’t are poorly educated on drugs, they rely on a sales rep for their info, instead of doing their home work on it.

Two of the worst health care plans are Medicare and Military..Tricare Prime and Life, ALL are RATIONED/FIXED/RESTRICTED, right down to where you purchase your meds is dictated by the Feds.

Study: Senate Can Repeal Obamacare’s Regulations through Reconciliation, with Only 51 Votes
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/study-senate-can-repeal-obamacares-regulations-through-reconciliation-only

WARNINGS OP DRUGS Kidney failure deaths, A Fib, Jaw Degeneration and A Typical Femur Fractures
Reclast has the highest warning.

Reclast UPS kidney failure, A FIB risk. Not to be given to Asthma patients.
http://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/news/20110901/fda-osteoporsis-drug_ups-kidney-failure-risk

Safety update for osteoporosis drugs, bisphosphonates, and atypical femur fractures, A FIB, Jaw Degeneration, Kidney failure deaths.
http://www.fda.gov/drugs/drugsafety/drugsafetypodcasts/ucm229800.htm

Black box warning Foreto
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=21853

JAMA report
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/HPV/jama.html

Gardasil Vaccine & the Damage Done
http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/HPV/gabrielle.aspx

The Gardasil Problem: How The U.S. Lost Faith In A Promising Vaccine
http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2012/04/04/americas-gardasil-problem-how-politics-poisons-public-health/#5628c4937273

Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Vaccine Empire on Trial in India
https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/bill-melinda-gates-foundation-vaccine-empire-on-trial-in-india/

Bill Gates - Ebola, Death and Vaccines: Add In WHO, PATH, GAVI, UNICEF, Merck, GSK
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/ebolagate/2014/10/bill-gates-ebola-death-and-vaccines-add-in-who-path-gavi-unicef-merck-gsk-.html

Bill Gates took part in criminally negligent vaccine experiments on poor Indian children
http://www.vaccines.news/2016-06-22-bill-gates-took-part-in-criminally-negligient-vaccine-experiments-on-poor-indian-children.html

Gardasil Vaccine: Spain Joins Growing List of Countries to File Criminal Complaints
https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/gardasil-vaccine-spain-joins-growing-list-of-countries-to-file-criminal-complaints/

Why the Kennedy-De Niro Vaccine Challenge Matters
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-the-kennedy-de-niro-vaccine-challenge-matters/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/health/autism-brain-changes-mri-early-diagnosis-study/index.html

Bill Gates and George Soros fund Monsanto and a world depopulation agenda
http://www.naturalnews.com/054899_eugenics_GMO_Bill_Gates.html

Bill Gates, Monsanto, and eugenics: How one of the world’s wealthiest men is actively promoting a corporate takeover of global agriculture
http://www.naturalnews.com/035105_Bill_Gates_Monsanto_eugenics.html

[The Sons of Liberty]

RyanCare Fail: Big Victory for House Freedom Caucus

My take is that Trump is a Big Picture Guy - he laid out what he wanted and then trusted Ryan to do his job by putting it in a bill and rallying and managing a coalition to get it through the House. Despite the fact that everyone wanted Healthcare reform, he failed miserably on ALL points!

Now Tax reform takes the stage, and because Healthcare Reform fell on it's face, there will be the tendency to want to rush this through to get a victory. Some salient points:

The Groundwork must be laid early, by recruiting a coalition, who then can recruit other members. NOT depending on the immature "Speaker" who has few allies and who throws something together, keeps it secret, and refuses to make changes because it hurts his ego.

Don't expect the dems to sign on, no matter how good the plan is. The strategy under Pelosi and Schumky Schumer is to oppose EVERYTHING Trump does, even if the Country suffers. The Deep State strategy is to make him fail and possibly get him to resign.

Don't trust, or count on Ryan for ANYTHING. His loyalties are suspect, he's immature, not respected or well liked, and a total incompetent. I can't think of a single thing he's managed and gotten through, even with a GOP majority.

[Jay Redhawk]

This is no victory for anyone. There bill presented yesterday was not in the final form it would have been after going through the Senate and conference committee. Nobody really knows what the bill would have been in final form. Probably worse? Who knows, but after going throughout the total process was the time to approve or kill it. My opinion is the so-called “Freedom Caucus” is afraid to take any responsibility in governing the country. By opposing everything they can continue to criticize everything, therefore;they can not be held responsible for law one way or another.

[Basket_of_Deplorables]

Some freepers here sound like Mitt Romney or Karl Rove uniparty-ish wailing and gnashing of teeth. Or a press release from the soros group Indivisible.

The House Freedom Caucus is a die hard group of libertarian conservatives who banded together to stop the “same old, same old” uniparty way of expanding government. I am glad they stood firm and killed this awful 3-phase plan. They are true patriots. Yes, they reluctantly voted for Ryan as speaker. (I talked in person to my congress critter, a founding member. He said they were willing to give him one more shot, period. I also talked to him about this obama care lite thing—he and others were in a tough place—told him it was a very tough decision, but I support him no matter what he does on it.)

Obama care lite: Step 1 did nothing big. Step 2 would have been court-bound and tied up for 2 years as every liberal group sues over Tom Price’s decisions. Step 3 would never come, as it would just die in the senate when everyone’s distracted 2 years from now.

They all ran on complete repeal. Hold their feet to the fire. Do it in the house, send to the senate, then melt the phones. Mitch (rhymes with...) would be forced (for example) to change the filibuster rules to make them actually filibuster instead of just raising their hand. Actually,current rules allow them to limit debate in an actual filibuster right now. I believe each senator can be limited to one (possibly two) actual floor speech per session on a given matter. There are other alternatives available as well, go nuclear for example. Mitch just doesn’t currently have the balls. Force his hand, or remove him.

Ryan needs to be replaced as speaker. If that comes out of this, we won bigly. Trey would be great, for example. Anyone but the perfumed prince backstabbing never-trumper-won’t-work-weekends beta male we now have.

This is what needs to be done:

First, replace Ryan. Period. Strike while the iron is hot, and strike with everything. I’ll be melting the phones on this. It’s our great chance to remove this asshat.

Second, pull all the current exemptions. All of them. Force all the exempt friends of dems onto Obamacare, en mass. Unions, half of Nevada, etc. all exempt. Friends of dems, all. No exemptions for anyone. Current law allows removing exemptions, no problem. Then Obamacare will be radioactive and people from all sides will scream for its repeal. Make it fail by implementing it in full.

Third, pass a clean repeal in the House, with an effective date 4 months after passing. It starts the timer and forces the beta males in charge to do it right. Tort reform, selling across state lines, block grants, etc. Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads.

Fourth, force the senate to get with the program and stop the “60 votes or nothing” game. Put them on the spot, force individual senators to state their positions. Put the blinding glare spotlight squarely on them.

It will get done using this plan.

[aspasia]

Meadows and Massie. Cool pic.

[Vaduz]

You saved health care now try and find a doctor who will except it good luck with that sucker.