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RyanCare Fail: Big Victory for House Freedom Caucus
Townhall.com ^ | March 25, 2017 | Arthur Schaper

Posted on 03/25/2017 5:40:33 AM PDT by Kaslin

For strategic reasons, I have signed onto liberal newsletter eblasts, so that I can know what the enemy is doing in my state. After Speaker Paul Ryan pulled the American Health Care Act (ACHA), every Democratic lawmaker, candidate, and special interest group exulted in their victory:

“Your calls made the difference!”

“We did it!”

“You saved health care.”

Uh … no.

Because Obamacare remains intact, healthcare remains in morbid free-fall. Doctors are still quitting the medical field, with premiums rising, health insurance exchanges failing, and hospitals closing. Democrats did themselves no favors in fighting against reforms. Obamacare is still an albatross hanging around their necks, and they will have to blatantly lie to voters that it’s working, or that somehow the Republicans are to blame because … they keep trying to fix the mess created by the Democratic Party.

So, should Democrats around the country pat themselves on the back for stopping another disaster? Perhaps they deserve a little bit of credit, since they were loud. The true glory and applause belong to Republicans across the country who hammered the Congressional majority to reject “Obamacare-lite.”

Yes. I wrote that.

Let’s walk through some surface realities about the bill that met a quiet death off stage rather than an ignominious demise before all. The Unaffordable Careless Act forced through Congress needs to be repealed—period. No replacement needed. This process could have been done and over with within days. All Speaker Ryan had to do was search the archive of dead bills for the budget reconciliation of 2015. That bill would have repealed Obamacare, expect for the coverage for pre-existing conditions and allowance for children to stay on their parents’ healthcare plans until age 26. CARTOONS | Henry Payne View Cartoon

I believe that Donald Trump approved of those two aspects of the Affordable Care Act (even though they should be repealed, and the opportunity for such benefits restored to insurance companies and locally-run agencies). It’s time to get back to basics and just do the right thing, yet the leaders refused to do so. What is the matter with the Washington DC leadership in the House?

Here are my thoughts on the matter.

The House Leadership is still part of the Old-Establishment-DC-Two-Step phalanx. Paul Ryan basically stepped on the neck of the House conference for the job. Since when did a candidate for Speaker of the House ever list a series of demands? The other leaders (and their powerbrokers) never ran for office on promises to drain the swamp and sharply limit the growth of Washington DC into Main Street. They said all the nice things that Republican voters and activists want to hear, but turned around and did the bidding of their major donors.

Now that social media and internet technology of have improved the average citizen’s watchdog role while facilitating grassroots candidates to run for office and succeed, this Mad Men/chain-smoking backroom wheeling and dealing doesn’t cut it anymore. US Senators like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and Rand Paul (and I will add Pat Toomey) ran on platforms dedicated to operating outside of the Big Government GOP orbit. They will not be bought, or they will lose their seats.

Also, please stop blaming the House Freedom Caucus as a bunch of stuck-up ideological Pharisees. We need more in their ranks who will demand the best for the Constitution and the American people. Yes, the “compromise critics” will roll out arguments like “The Framers were not ideologues” or “In Washington, you never get everything that you want.” 225 years later, though, the Democratic Party has embraced socialism as a foundational philosophy. They have never wavered or apologized for this false, destructive world view. Republicans want to accommodate with this anti-Constitutional world view? Not going to happen.

From this cause, a new Congressional hero stands out in Washington DC. His name is Thomas Massie, and was crystal clear about his views on RyanCare. Well, he did change his vote, but from “No” to “Hell No!” He came to the defense of our President and his country, too, acknowledging that stopping this rotten stop-gap replacement bill would save face for President Trump—and the country.

Let’s face it, no matter how many majorities or minority results that Republicans yield from election to election, the power rests with us, and more Americans are flexing their muscle. Also, pundits should acknowledge that the House bill was going to be dead on arrival in the US Senate. Republicans opposed this legislation, which continued too many subsidies, practically slammed the same mandate on individual consumers, and maintained the worst of Obamacare in place.

What results must spring from Obamacare repeal in the healthcare industry, so that American voters feel that they are getting what they voted for by supporting Trump?

1. Lower insurance premiums

2. More access to quality health care

3. Choices

4. Freedom

5. Less interference

6. No untenable waiting times

Would RyanCare have delivered on these promises? No.

Candidate Trump promised to repeal Obamacare. He also offered a health care program that he would take care of everybody. Nothing could make that happen more quickly than getting rid of Obamacare, then repealing the other mandates, regulations, and limitations which have made bureaucrats happy, but have made Americans unhealthy. Congressional Republicans don’t even have to “start over.” Back to the 2015 Reconciliation Bill, Republicans. Every time I called a House Rep to reject RyanCare, I also told them to reintroduce the previous bill. This is not a difficult process, people. US Senator Mike Lee is already on the job.

There is a silver lining to this RyanCare defeat. The Speaker may face an early retirement, just like predecessor John “Don’t Make Me Do This! It’s Too Hard!” Boehner. Principled Republicans like Dave Brat have further established their non-establishment cred, too. May their tribe increase … and again influence in Congress.

By the way, doesn’t “Speaker Thomas Massie” have a nice ring to it?


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To: RightInTheMain

IMO Trump needs a very well thought out change, benefiting us (not the healthcare-pharma-attorney industry), and use his tools (today’s tools) to educate Americans about it and how it will enrich them.

Needs to include tort reform and Euro-style award limits, fraud busting, FDA busting, drug cost busting, common forms and coding, choice, open pricing, portability, alternative treatments, healthy lifestyle cost reductions, more.


21 posted on 03/25/2017 6:44:21 AM PDT by polymuser (There's a yuuuge basket of deportables.)
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To: Kaslin

Spot on, I’d call this a switch and bait that is Ryancare is still a lighter version of DUMBOCARE.

Nor did they divorce themselves from Big Pharma, (greasing palms) lawyers, lobbyist (former congress critters) and Ins companies. NO ONE LISTEN TO THE PATIENTS or PEOPLE. It was a total SHAM. And deserved to die. Or use the Stevens Act to break up Big Pharma and Big ins companies that dominate health care and set prices on every thing. Until we get all former congress out of the picture forever will still have Quid Pro Quo, you grease my hand I’ll grease yours.

Yes there needs to be protection for pre-existing health issues with in a insurance pool, slightly higher premiums and co-pay, as they need more health care. They didn’t ask for what put them in a wheel chair, bedridden or what disease they have, genes, chem exposures, having your limbs blown off in Iraq or Afghanistan or your guts damaged for life, a lot more goes into having a Chronic Illness, much of it brought into the USA via Refugees and Illegals.

This latest mumps vaccine was a failure. FDA needs reforming. They leave bad drugs on the market. Take Nexium it’s a blooming 2-4 week drug, NEVER should have gone OTC. Take it to long and you get OP brittle bones, it is a bone destruction drug. ALL OP drugs for that are FDA Flagged for some nasty reasons A-Fib is only 1. Forteo also has a Black Box warning which is the highest, for Bone Cancer, and the FDA hides the death stats in the broken hip death complications stats.

I’ve been doing a lot of research on those drugs as the first low dose of Fosamax sent me to the ER with A-FIB the doc NEVER WARNED ME ABOUT, and my 16 yr old grand daughter developed RA and Fibromyalgia after she had the Gardasil vaccine. I is not really a HPV vaccine, but A STD which is why they are pushing it on boys. The Vaccine covers 8 of the nearly 40 strains, Gardasil NONE should have gone to market. Docs don’t are poorly educated on drugs, they rely on a sales rep for their info, instead of doing their home work on it.

Two of the worst health care plans are Medicare and Military..Tricare Prime and Life, ALL are RATIONED/FIXED/RESTRICTED, right down to where you purchase your meds is dictated by the Feds.

Study: Senate Can Repeal Obamacare’s Regulations through Reconciliation, with Only 51 Votes
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/study-senate-can-repeal-obamacares-regulations-through-reconciliation-only

WARNINGS OP DRUGS Kidney failure deaths, A Fib, Jaw Degeneration and A Typical Femur Fractures
Reclast has the highest warning.

Reclast UPS kidney failure, A FIB risk. Not to be given to Asthma patients.
http://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/news/20110901/fda-osteoporsis-drug_ups-kidney-failure-risk

Safety update for osteoporosis drugs, bisphosphonates, and atypical femur fractures, A FIB, Jaw Degeneration, Kidney failure deaths.
http://www.fda.gov/drugs/drugsafety/drugsafetypodcasts/ucm229800.htm

Black box warning Foreto
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=21853

JAMA report
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/HPV/jama.html

Gardasil Vaccine & the Damage Done
http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/HPV/gabrielle.aspx

The Gardasil Problem: How The U.S. Lost Faith In A Promising Vaccine
http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2012/04/04/americas-gardasil-problem-how-politics-poisons-public-health/#5628c4937273

Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Vaccine Empire on Trial in India
https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/bill-melinda-gates-foundation-vaccine-empire-on-trial-in-india/

Bill Gates - Ebola, Death and Vaccines: Add In WHO, PATH, GAVI, UNICEF, Merck, GSK
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/ebolagate/2014/10/bill-gates-ebola-death-and-vaccines-add-in-who-path-gavi-unicef-merck-gsk-.html

Bill Gates took part in criminally negligent vaccine experiments on poor Indian children
http://www.vaccines.news/2016-06-22-bill-gates-took-part-in-criminally-negligient-vaccine-experiments-on-poor-indian-children.html

Gardasil Vaccine: Spain Joins Growing List of Countries to File Criminal Complaints
https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/gardasil-vaccine-spain-joins-growing-list-of-countries-to-file-criminal-complaints/

Why the Kennedy-De Niro Vaccine Challenge Matters
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-the-kennedy-de-niro-vaccine-challenge-matters/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/health/autism-brain-changes-mri-early-diagnosis-study/index.html

Bill Gates and George Soros fund Monsanto and a world depopulation agenda
http://www.naturalnews.com/054899_eugenics_GMO_Bill_Gates.html

Bill Gates, Monsanto, and eugenics: How one of the world’s wealthiest men is actively promoting a corporate takeover of global agriculture
http://www.naturalnews.com/035105_Bill_Gates_Monsanto_eugenics.html


22 posted on 03/25/2017 6:47:46 AM PDT by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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To: Kaslin
RyanCare Fail: Big Victory for House Freedom Caucus

My take is that Trump is a Big Picture Guy - he laid out what he wanted and then trusted Ryan to do his job by putting it in a bill and rallying and managing a coalition to get it through the House. Despite the fact that everyone wanted Healthcare reform, he failed miserably on ALL points!

Now Tax reform takes the stage, and because Healthcare Reform fell on it's face, there will be the tendency to want to rush this through to get a victory. Some salient points:

The Groundwork must be laid early, by recruiting a coalition, who then can recruit other members. NOT depending on the immature "Speaker" who has few allies and who throws something together, keeps it secret, and refuses to make changes because it hurts his ego.

Don't expect the dems to sign on, no matter how good the plan is. The strategy under Pelosi and Schumky Schumer is to oppose EVERYTHING Trump does, even if the Country suffers. The Deep State strategy is to make him fail and possibly get him to resign.

Don't trust, or count on Ryan for ANYTHING. His loyalties are suspect, he's immature, not respected or well liked, and a total incompetent. I can't think of a single thing he's managed and gotten through, even with a GOP majority.

23 posted on 03/25/2017 6:52:40 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Todays Media - Report the TRUTH and acts of TREASON and get fired. Ask Judge Napolitano.)
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To: dynoman

TY, TY, TY !!


24 posted on 03/25/2017 6:53:04 AM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: Sirius Lee

I don’t think Trump’s an idiot. I think those who think he’s an idiot are idiots.

Read post 13.


25 posted on 03/25/2017 6:56:32 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: GailA
Or use the Stevens Act to break up Big Pharma and Big ins companies that dominate health care and set prices on every thing. Until we get all former congress out of the picture forever will still have Quid Pro Quo, you grease my hand I’ll grease yours.

Agree. Maybe going after the big money vermin behind Obamuncare is the better approach -- go after the huge malpractice awards, drug price fixing, FDA shenanigans, test gouging, hospital welfare (turn VA hospitals into gov funded welfare only hospitals and isolate them from our insurance plans, and send Vets to regular hospitals?).

But first, eliminate all waivers. ALL must live under Obamacare rules. All.

26 posted on 03/25/2017 7:00:40 AM PDT by polymuser (There's a yuuuge basket of deportables.)
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To: ez

Yes. Also exec order that all but US military must purchase ins through an ocare exchange


27 posted on 03/25/2017 7:00:43 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: RightInTheMain

My sister and husband lost their healthcare, jobs, Pigeon Forge Wildfires. He has MD and it must be treated.

So did their daughter and she has Lupus and nerve damage from a botched 2 knee surgeries.

My friend Debbie lost her’s too.

I’m STUCk on Medicare/Tricare Life which SUCKS, NO OPTIONS, just a FIXED,RATIONED, RESTRICTIVE Healthcare that many docs are now not taking. Each year test are put off for another year when they should be done yearly, many drugs not covered, or medical procedures. When Dry Eye Syndrome clogged up my oil glands, it was NOT a covered procedure to clean the lid line and open the oil glands. I fully paid for that, my hearing aids after the POS ENT damaged my hearing.

I don’t ask for FREE, Medicare and Tricare should have options with co-pays. Both are PREPAID with 40 yrs of tax money they took out of our checks each 2 weeks. Stole it to pay for DUMBOCARE. Because 2 SS checks and a 20 yr Navy career being under paid and over deployed, Pension puts us over the VA Cap of $38K per yr. Only thing covered are his hearing aids for Flight Deck hearing damage under disability.

Our nearest Naval facility has only a pharmacy, hospital has been closed and docs when private. All active duty as well as retirees are forced to use private healthcare. Active Duty go under Champus as do their families and they pay for Champus besides Medicare, SS and income taxes.


28 posted on 03/25/2017 7:04:09 AM PDT by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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To: dynoman

Then why did you state that Trump was an idiot?


29 posted on 03/25/2017 7:04:29 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (In God We Trust, In Trump We Fix America)
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To: Kaslin

This is no victory for anyone. There bill presented yesterday was not in the final form it would have been after going through the Senate and conference committee. Nobody really knows what the bill would have been in final form. Probably worse? Who knows, but after going throughout the total process was the time to approve or kill it. My opinion is the so-called “Freedom Caucus” is afraid to take any responsibility in governing the country. By opposing everything they can continue to criticize everything, therefore;they can not be held responsible for law one way or another.


30 posted on 03/25/2017 7:17:19 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Diversity for the sake of diversity is just flat out stupidity.)
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To: polymuser

Hubby is Ret. SCPO 20 yr career Navy, both of us are SS age thus Medicare is our Primary and Tricare Life secondary.

Both suck. They are Rationed, fixed and restrictive ‘health care’.

He just had his second partial knee done. Medicare forced a Over Night Stay in the hospital, even though he was quiet capable of coming home the same day after a few hours of observation. That bill will be over $60K from past experience.

And I bet that ER trip I had to make last Friday for something that my IDIOT PCP could have just called in a script for Nystatin powder, oh, I forgot they don’t do that any more. I KNOW what a stupid skin Yeast infection looks like, had way to many not to know, but unless I see you no SCRIPT next appointment is 1 month away ‘do you want to come in then’. Half my body would have been covered and bleeding if I did that. I learned the hard way NO Minor Med clinics. All you are prescribed for is Athletes foot cream 1% that will not work keeps the area to moist. Not Nystatin powder.

Double crossing AARP has a big role for DUMBOCARE, they’ve made BILLIONS by peddling their own health ins. How the AARP Made $2.8 Billion By Supporting Obamacare’s Cuts to Medicare
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/09/22/the-aarps-2-8-billion-reasons-for-supporting-obamacares-cuts-to-medicare/#5d182c745935

How Money From Pharmaceutical Companies Sways Doctors’ Prescriptions
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/04/13/doctors-receiving-pharmaceutical-money.aspx


31 posted on 03/25/2017 7:25:22 AM PDT by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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To: polymuser

How the AARP Made $2.8 Billion By Supporting Obamacare’s Cuts to Medicare
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/09/22/the-aarps-2-8-billion-reasons-for-supporting-obamacares-cuts-to-medicare/#5d182c745935

How Money From Pharmaceutical Companies Sways Doctors’ Prescriptions
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/04/13/doctors-receiving-pharmaceutical-money.aspx

How Much of Big Pharma’s Massive Profits Are Used to Influence ...
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33010-how-much-of-big-pharma-s-massive-profits-are-used-to-influence-politicians

NONE OF IT FOR “REAL” patient healthcare.


32 posted on 03/25/2017 7:30:34 AM PDT by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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To: Truth29

I doubt that we will like that result.


33 posted on 03/25/2017 7:39:38 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Kaslin

Some freepers here sound like Mitt Romney or Karl Rove uniparty-ish wailing and gnashing of teeth. Or a press release from the soros group Indivisible.

The House Freedom Caucus is a die hard group of libertarian conservatives who banded together to stop the “same old, same old” uniparty way of expanding government. I am glad they stood firm and killed this awful 3-phase plan. They are true patriots. Yes, they reluctantly voted for Ryan as speaker. (I talked in person to my congress critter, a founding member. He said they were willing to give him one more shot, period. I also talked to him about this obama care lite thing—he and others were in a tough place—told him it was a very tough decision, but I support him no matter what he does on it.)

Obama care lite: Step 1 did nothing big. Step 2 would have been court-bound and tied up for 2 years as every liberal group sues over Tom Price’s decisions. Step 3 would never come, as it would just die in the senate when everyone’s distracted 2 years from now.

They all ran on complete repeal. Hold their feet to the fire. Do it in the house, send to the senate, then melt the phones. Mitch (rhymes with...) would be forced (for example) to change the filibuster rules to make them actually filibuster instead of just raising their hand. Actually,current rules allow them to limit debate in an actual filibuster right now. I believe each senator can be limited to one (possibly two) actual floor speech per session on a given matter. There are other alternatives available as well, go nuclear for example. Mitch just doesn’t currently have the balls. Force his hand, or remove him.

Ryan needs to be replaced as speaker. If that comes out of this, we won bigly. Trey would be great, for example. Anyone but the perfumed prince backstabbing never-trumper-won’t-work-weekends beta male we now have.

This is what needs to be done:

First, replace Ryan. Period. Strike while the iron is hot, and strike with everything. I’ll be melting the phones on this. It’s our great chance to remove this asshat.

Second, pull all the current exemptions. All of them. Force all the exempt friends of dems onto Obamacare, en mass. Unions, half of Nevada, etc. all exempt. Friends of dems, all. No exemptions for anyone. Current law allows removing exemptions, no problem. Then Obamacare will be radioactive and people from all sides will scream for its repeal. Make it fail by implementing it in full.

Third, pass a clean repeal in the House, with an effective date 4 months after passing. It starts the timer and forces the beta males in charge to do it right. Tort reform, selling across state lines, block grants, etc. Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads.

Fourth, force the senate to get with the program and stop the “60 votes or nothing” game. Put them on the spot, force individual senators to state their positions. Put the blinding glare spotlight squarely on them.

It will get done using this plan.


34 posted on 03/25/2017 7:41:08 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Drone Soros and sons!!!)
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To: Sirius Lee

Think! I took your statement to its logical conclusion.


35 posted on 03/25/2017 7:52:53 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: dynoman
Think!

I did. Try it sometime.

I took your statement to its logical conclusion.

So did I. Now you're upset that I pointed out the obvious conclusion. Trump is an idiot for getting in bed with lyin' ryan. The speaker is a backstabbing snake who tried to undermine Trump every step of the way. If Trump is Pepe the frog, then ryan is the scorpion on his back.

Now that Trump has been stung, he's hopefully he's learned a lesson never to trust eddie munster and to recognize that the uniparty agenda is poison.

36 posted on 03/25/2017 8:08:53 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (In God We Trust, In Trump We Fix America)
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To: Sirius Lee
What kind of idiot thought it was good idea to keep obamacare in place, but attach the GOP brand to it?

Exactly, that's why I don't want any of this "replace" nonsense; just repeal the thing! It doesn't even have to be complex, just pass a bill which has a body of:
The Affordable Care Act is hereby repealed in its entirety.

37 posted on 03/25/2017 8:09:48 AM PDT by Edward.Fish
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To: Kaslin
Meadows and Massie. Cool pic.


38 posted on 03/25/2017 8:13:07 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: Edward.Fish

‘repeal and replace’ = ‘comprehensive immigration reform’


39 posted on 03/25/2017 8:19:16 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Now Tax reform takes the stage, and because Healthcare Reform fell on it's face, there will be the tendency to want to rush this through to get a victory.

If you want a good tax reform, there a Constitutional amendment (suggested here) which reads:

Tax Reform Amendment
Section I
No tax, fee, fine, or judgement —federal, State, or subdivision of either— shall ever be withheld from any wage.

Section II
No property shall be seized for failure to pay taxes until after conviction in a jury trial; the right of the jury to nullify (and thereby forgive) this debt shall never be questioned or denied.

Section III
The second amendment is hereby recognized as restricting the power of taxation, both federal and state: no tax, fee, or fine shall be laid upon arms, munitions or the sale thereof.

Section IV
The seventh amendment is hereby recognized: nothing in this amendment shall restrict the right of a citizen to seek civil redress.

Section V
No income tax levied by the federal government, the several States, or any subdivision of either shall ever exceed 10%.

Section VI
No income tax levied by the federal government, the several States, or any subdivision of either shall ever apply varying rates to those in its jurisdiction.

Section VII
No retrospective, retroactive, or ex post facto tax, fee, or fine shall ever be valid; nor shall the Congress delegate the creation of any tax, fee, or fine in any way; nor shall Congress give any credit, exemption, or deduction to any person, class of persons, or corporation whatsoever.

Section VIII
No federal employee, representative, senator, judge, justice or agent shall ever be exempt from any tax, fine, or fee by virtue of their position.

Section IX
Any federal employee, representative, senator, judge, justice or agent abridging, attempting to abridge, or otherwise circumventing this amendment shall, upon conviction, be evicted from office and all retirement benefits forfeit.

40 posted on 03/25/2017 8:24:47 AM PDT by Edward.Fish
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