Don't know. Day ain't over yet.
Posted on 03/24/2017 10:36:37 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
Breaking "Blog" on CNN only.....
Speaker Paul Ryan rushed to the White House moments ago to tell Trump that they might not be able to pass the bill if they vote today — the votes just aren't there right now.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Don't know. Day ain't over yet.
For what reason exactly did the account get banned or suspended?
Absolutely correct!
Things have gone quiet with regard to this bill...no confirmation that it has been pulled. My suspicion is that there is some serious horsetrading going on right now to amend this bill with some sweeteners.
Keep what you have, your no better off with these three...all talk and no show...
“Even though Trump has some big government tendencies regarding health and education - I’m still confident he will be able to play the long game on this and we will come out at the end with something us hard core conservatives can at least live with easily.”
Between you and me that makes one of us. “some big govt tendencies?” Goodness.
You are correct
There are large cookie jars by the desk and cookies will be passed out one at a time until all agree the bill is ok
How on earth can you blame the freedom caucus when for 7 years they have been running full repeal bills through Congress and the last two to the presidents desk? And promised in the campaign trail to FULLY repeal Obamacare. And now we are at the 11th hour, not presented with what we are promised and TOLD on repeated occasions full repeal. Yet somehow we are to believe that the ONLY conservatives left in congress are the reason the promise made that isn’t actually what is being produced is their fault?
Que?
Just a few questions about what’s happening with this healthcare bill...
As I read posts on FR...they range from...
1. Trump has “screwed us”.
2. Ryan is the problem and is trying to damage Trump.
3. Trump is playing Ryan, and is trying to get rid of Ryan.
4. Trump is listening to the freedom caucus.
5. Trump is pressuring the freedom caucus to vote for the bill.
6. The freedom caucus is doing well by standing their ground.
7. The freedom caucus is being funded by the Koch brothers to stop the bill.
8. Ryan is being funded by the Koch brothers (I assume to damage Trump)
In your opinion, what is really going on with this bill?
Who is right? Who is wrong?
I assume most people here on FR, myself included, wanted a full repeal of Obamacare.
And then replace it with free market principles.
There's a crapload of them, no?
Our 'nation' has been inexorably moving here, by our voting, for many decades. Turning this huge ship of state will take at least another decade, and require a generation of un-indoctrinated, patriotic, fiscally responsible voters.
Ummm...
It will have to be and I do TRULY hope it is far better than what was presented. Because whatever bill is passed (if not repeal) if it doesn’t lower costs of premiums and deductions across the board for ALL then it isn’t a bill worth voting on. Imagine, they pass a bill that doesn’t lower the real world costs for all who hold insurance (private and public). Do we think for one second we will hold the house or senate? No way in he!!. So why would such a bill be presented to begin with?
Because they don’t want to over turn Government control of healthcare. They don’t want the American people to have liberty or choices in their plans
Maybe leave things alone and let the democrats choke on it. At some point, people will beg for repeal.
If a bad bill is passed, the GOP will take the hit in the midterms.
Better to chip away at Obamacare (remove the mandate) and let it fall apart on it's own then to get the American People mad at another failed attempt at health insurance.
People who think that the government has no business in the health insurance area?
This is at its most basic an opportunity to roll back a tax on productive people and an entitlement for gibsmedats; if they fail at this they have no purpose whatsoever. Trump at the very least must get rid of the individual mandate; that is the tax (and the unfunded entitlement should crumble on its own).
Not just the BBC. This morning I was getting so aggravated with Stuart Varney on his show on Fox Business. I am actually a Varney fan; but, he was just hysterical about the Republicans not passing this bill. That this is their "last chance"; that they would not be able to pivot and pass tax policy if they didn't do this first. He and Louie Gomert were going round and round about it. Charles Payne showed up and Varney asked him if he agreed with Varney about this being a very bad move. Charles Payne said, sorry, I'm with Louie on this one.
I don't usually think of the term "pearl clutching" when talking about Stuart Varney; but, he was really upset about this.
A full repeal is all of one or two pages; seriously. It could be typed up in less than 30 minutes.
The House would vote for a full repeal.
Ryan slapped together a ‘partial’ repeal using reconciliation. Ryan calls it a ‘repeal’ but it’s not, it’s a reconciliation bill that repeals certain paragraphs and subitems of the Obamacare bill.
Thus, Ryan’s bill is the Obamacare bill all marked up using reconciliation and he calls it the AHCA. It is subject to reversal when the democrats get control in the future.
Now, Ryan has the votes, plenty of them for a FULL repeal but he doesn’t have a hope that it will be passed in the Senate. But that’s not his call.
Ryan needs to throw the political football downfield to the Senate and not waste time worrying about whether the Senate catches the ball or not because as it is, Ryan is going to be sacked. As a leading player, Ryan is not the best. The country can do much better.
A lot of Reps don’t like it because it leaves the bureaucratic mess that is Obamacare in place. Then they rely ‘on the HHS shall’ to undo a lot of Obamacare. If stuff is that easily undone with the HHS shall then it is just as easily put back in place if the Dems win the presidency again and put in a new HHS.
Ryan’s bill just turns the whole thing into a political football that’s dependent on which party wins.
The bill is wrong. Remember the tea party? For seven long years we’ve been demanding and voting for Republicans on a nationwide basis to repeal the unconstitutional big government socialist Obamacare. We do not want to replace it with a Republican brand of unconstitutionalism. We want it repealed, dead and gone, ripped out by the roots and the ground salted so it can never rise again.
Free markets or bust!
NO federal mandates or tinkering of any kind!
If the Republicans pass this POS, then unconstitutional federal government intrusion and mandates will be here forever (or until the rebellion anyway).
Passing this GOPcre bill sends the signal that government healthcare (some form of nationalized healthcare, socialism, single payer, etc) is perfectly fine by both parties and it’s just a matter of time before the democrats retake power and ram through universal single payer socialism.
Pass it, freedom is dead.
The bill has been pulled. Trump loses another one. The swamp has not been drained.
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