Posted on 03/22/2017 8:08:01 AM PDT by RummyChick
In the struggle to overhaul Obamacare, House Republicans appear to have made a costly overcorrection. Due to a technical change in the current draft of the bill, millions of veterans may be ineligible to receive tax credits.
Late Monday night, leadership staff released a 22-page technical amendment to the bill in order to make it compliant with Senate reconciliation rules. In their haste, they introduced language that could keep as many as 7 million veterans from participating in the GOP healthcare plan.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...
I think the people who proclaim it is wonderful..it is the gold standard...etc...discount the fact that it is downright awful in some areas.
I have had some experience with the system. Their MHICM program at one facility was fabulous and really helped me in dealing with a Vet.
But I recognize that it might not be the case everywhere.
I trust Trump.
There is no doubt that Ryancare forces you to use the VA system. Trump is hardballing the passage of this bill.
I suspect he doesn’t know what Ryan put in there. At least I hope not.
Yes, I did in fact and what I read says that an earlier version of the this new unvoted proposed law allowed them to double-dip the benefits. Whoever wrote the article seems to be pissed that another unvoted version took that bennie away.
Still ends up0 no worse than before in my opinion. Just because something is labeled ‘veteran’ doesn’t make it sacrosanct. And I thank God I never had to, as a Veteran, take advantage of their medical services. I just don’t buy it.
That isn’t what this article is about...this article is about FORCING vets into the VA system either by mistake in drafting.. or on purpose. It’s not about getting rid of the double dip
Sheesh
Well, we Vets SHOULDN’T double-dip. Sign up for one or the other. *SHRUG*
I use the VA for my health care. They treat me like gold.
That would have been OK. This is the next paragraph:
"By design or by accident, leadership staffers struck that language. Now retired service members qualify only if they "are not eligible" for other types of government healthcare. According to ... , that means "individuals eligible for, but not enrolled in, VA coverage cannot qualify for the new insurance subsidies."
Oh come on. You are stilly relying on a journalist making an assessment of correcting a proposed law in a later version as being punitive. That’s crap.
Tell me where veterans got this benefit before? Did they?
Stop mischaracterizing this phrase.
“With just the stroke of a pen, some legislative staffer would force millions of veterans to rely on the VA for their healthcare whether they want it or not.”
It totally assumes the nonfact that they were allowed to do it before in a real law.
I really don’t understand your posts. Didn’t you just claim Vets should not be allowed to double dip..and they were before...now you seem to be claiming this guy is lying
“According to Chris Jacobs, a senior healthcare analyst at the Texas Public Policy Foundation and CEO of the Juniper Research Group, that means “individuals eligible for, but not enrolled in, VA coverage cannot qualify for the new insurance subsidies.”
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but whatever, I am learning to just give up on posts like yours.
Tax credits be damned. My husband is too precious to get care at the VA Center in NV. NO. I love him to much to let him die.
So let me get this straight. Were you getting tax credits before with him not using the VA system? This is assuming you were eligible income wise..because you might not have got them if you weren’t in the right bracket.
It seems Gaffer is trying to tell me that a Vet couldn’t get subsidies under Obamacare if he didn’t go to the VA..or something..frankly..I don’t know what he is trying to say.
I don’t think I ever claimed the were ‘allowed’ to double dip under any established law. If I did, I surely didn’t intend that. And I don’t confuse something that was ‘proposed’ and then ‘not’ as an actual law that has been voted on and signed by the President.
The goal is healthcare even when it isn’t a Constitutional guarantee. If you think the VA has substandard care that’s one thing and that definitely should be addressed. If you think some other insurance is just plain better, that’s another.
To me, right now, you could replace this whole thing with “Medicaid” and end up with the same results - same argument. Somebody is pissed because they get limited for something that doesn’t cost them.
We differ... we can leave it at that I guess.....’whatever’
And i concur, the problem that stares us all in the face: we are not getting what we voted for, REPEAL, REMOVE, ELIMINATE OBAMACARE.
Does this have anything to do with the families of veterans? Just wondering because families are not eligible for VA care.
Thanks for arguing. I am a vet and looked at priority groups in the past. Thought I would take a fresh look and came across this. Evidently they don’t means test your assets if in priority groups 7 and 8, just income like Obamacare.
https://www.va.gov/healthbenefits/resources/publications/IB10-603_elimination_of_means_test.pdf
Exactly. VA care is great in some locations and like getting 3rd world care or no care in others.
Also if veteran is forced to VA and not allowed into the new system what about dependents of the veteran? No family plan possible or how will that work?
I think veterans should have a choice of the best option for them.
I’m on Tricare Prime. I’m sure you are aware that while all Military Retirees are Veterans, all Veteran’s aren’t Military Retirees.
In my case, it would be a several hour drive to a VA clinic/hospital. I have a lot of medical issues, I am poor, and I need all the advantages I can get. OH, and I PAY for Tricare.
I hope that my fellow retirees are aware that not all of us have it as good as some of the others do.
My only experience has been with a relative 100% VA disabled...making more than many middle class people through disability...in their MHICM program..who didn’t have to pay premiums etc and got free care.
Ryancare doesn’t fix anything, it makes it worse.
How is this double-dipping?
When I raised my right hand I was told that in a few years I'd be a veteran and I would have the help of the Veteran's Administration including things health care. That was 42 years ago. Have things changed? Wasn't this ALWAYS the way?
When I reupped every time, I was told that if I could stay in long enough to retire, my health care would be for life. I would get (depending on my rank at retirement and how many years I served), a certain amount in retiree pay for the rest of my life. THAT WAS THE DEAL!
I didn't demand it or cause it. I agreed to it by reupping. I had to continue with the lousy pay for my skills and the deployments, drills, and potential combat (yeah, I'm Air Force, so not! Seriously, the Soviet plan in Europe in my time was to use Spetznat to take all us USAF people out, and we couldn't even get a firearm to defend ourselves).
Now had I gotten into any serious trouble, say even a DUI or something, I could have lost it ALL even after I served 19 years and 364 days. The deal was you had to survive the 20 and put in for retirement--and retire.
Of course, right before I retired they came up with Tricare and started closing all the Base Hospitals. We were told free health care for life was no longer going to be offered. That retirees were costing the military too much... I heard a lot of complaints about how I could get another job, and really didn't need as much as they promised.
So what is the opposite of double-dipping? Half dipping? Because that's what's really going on.
It is unlikely I’ll use the VA, but I thought the link would be useful for some vets. Doing away with asset testing, may give some vets a way out of high insurance bills.
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