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Do not let the Dems, GOPe win, do not let Ted Cruz, McCain and Graham destroy our economy (Vanity)
opinion | 3-22-2016 | ShivaFan

Posted on 03/22/2017 5:34:29 AM PDT by ShivaFan

Rand Paul is trying to be relevant. Ted Cruz thinks he is going to run for President in four years by undermining Trump and purposely undermining the economic rally. Both of these were candidates who lost to Trump in the Republican primaries. On the other side, we have the total enemies of the Republican base, John McCain who belongs in a strait jacket and is so despised by the Republican base he didn’t even have a chance of even entering the primaries much less win them, and an equally pathetic Never Trumper Lindsey Graham who also like Paul and Cruz ran and lost his bid and dropped out because he couldn’t even get 1 percent of the vote, another Never Trumper, Trump wining Graham’s own state of South Carolina by a landslide. Both McCain and Graham have been on a non-stop tirade against Trump and both want to immediately go to war with Russia and start World War Three. Investors like me already priced in the August tax cuts into the DOW. We started doing that back in December, and we have seen the greatest economic recovery started in my lifetime, largely thanks to Donald Trump. About half of the 3,000 point gain in the DOW since Trump won is this pricing in of the August tax cuts as, like any investor, an investor first buys in when the price is relatively “cheap” with the hopes of gains in the future or near future. So about 1,500 points of the 3,000 point gain in the DOW is this pricing in of the tax cuts which will guarantee and economic and jobs boom like not seen in many decades, it will exceed Reagan. Obamacare is imploding. Once it totally goes under, however, this implosion will hurt the economy. So we need to get rid of it, and replace it – at first with a model that is more based on free economic models – but we need the tax cuts in August first or the pricing in of the cuts into the DOW will then “price out”, the DOW will drop 1,500 points, the left wing MSM will go nuts blaming Trump and the “collapse of the economy” which actually won’t be a collapse because we will still be 1,500 points ahead of the game over the horrible Obama days but just not 3,000 points up but rather 1,500 points up, but the media will tell American over and over again the mantra that Trump destroyed the economy, all part of the efforts by the Democrats and the neo-cons in the Republican Party, the GOPe, and now the likes of Ted Cruz who thinks he can still run for President in 2020 by delaying the tax cuts on purpose so as to hurt the economy and thus hurt Trump who “insulted (my) father and family”.

All that will happen, however, is the Democrats who are totally evil and use deep state against the American people, and who want to suppress freedom of speech and who wants only a media-state propaganda mill in the MSM, and of which are part of the cheap labor global interests along with the GOPe which wants to destroy Trump in the name of cheap foreign labor and open borders, the worst of the worst will gain back power and then totally destroy the American middle class and disfranchise Americans from their jobs and expand debt and expand government to the level of totalitarianism as found in Venezuela. Many good Americans will also be put in prison and totally marginalized. Nor will Cruz even be able to run for President in 2020, he is delusional and will be totally destroyed by the MSM and the Democrats even more so than the MSM, the Democrats, the GOPe, McCain, Graham, now Rand, and Ted Cruz could ever destroy Trump. As far as Rand is concerned, he will get everything he wants in the replacement of Obamacare, but just not right now. That will happen after the tax cuts and the economic boom unlike we have seen in many decades. Just pass what is up on the table now, we MUST move into the tax cuts immediately to start this up, then once we got the economy we want we will setup a replacement of Obamacare that meets all the criteria but we need the tax cuts first to do that which will seal the deal for a Republican majority for the next 20 years.

But what Rand and Cruz and the Democrats and the GOPe is doing, is they are going to – and most see it is intentional – destroy the economy so to destroy Trump who they hate and think they will personally gain by doing so. Certainly Rand and Cruz will gain nothing. Only the Democrats and the GOPe will gain and retake control for the establishment.

And we will all be screwed like you have never experience in your life, you will lose your country, period. Obviously, I hate the Democrats. And the GOPe. And now I hate Ted Cruz and Rand Paul in a big way. Please, contact your representatives, get past the Obamacare thing for now and move into the tax cuts immediately, then set the stage for the total end of Obamacare and it’s replacement by a workable system that will save our healthcare and medical progress. Please. Do not let the Democrats regain power. Do not let the delusions of a Ted Cruz destroy us. Do not let the Never Trumpers on FOX, the neo-cons, the open borders cheap labor lobby destroy us. You have this chance like never before, but you are facing the greatest challenge at this time like never before. Stop them. Now.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cds; crazy; cruz; cruzrandpaul; lunacyonparade; mccain; randpaul; reeeeeee; shivafan; thanksmorons; trump
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1 posted on 03/22/2017 5:34:29 AM PDT by ShivaFan
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To: ShivaFan

Ted Cruz is an assh8le and will never be elected


2 posted on 03/22/2017 5:35:51 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: ShivaFan

Cruz is now chairing the committee that will oversee the NASA mission to Mars. He’ll be busy for the next 30 years. Winning.


3 posted on 03/22/2017 5:50:02 AM PDT by Helicondelta (Deplorable)
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To: ShivaFan

You are going to stroke out, you need to chill. I know it’s heresy to even mention here but maybe Trump isn’t right on this Ryan care thing. It might do more damage to the economy in the long run if the Republicans pass a bad bill and the Democrat machine can saddle them with a label. If the Republicans lose too much ground in the mid terms you can kiss Trump’s agenda good bye. The where will we be?


4 posted on 03/22/2017 5:52:09 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: ShivaFan
Saw this here this morning:

Trump met with House Republicans in a closed-door session to warn them that failure to pass this bill is not an option. According to some lawmakers, he told anyone thinking of voting no that “I'm going to come after you, but I know I won't have to because I know you'll vote yes.”
Repealing The ObamaCare Train Wreck Has Become A Train Wreck
(Investor's Business Daily ^ | 4/21/2017 | Staff
Posted here on 3/22/2017, 7:06:41 AM )

Coming after you?

5 posted on 03/22/2017 5:55:30 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Don't call it Trumpcare until he does!)
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To: sickoflibs
Coming after you?
6 posted on 03/22/2017 6:00:25 AM PDT by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: ShivaFan

Market declined Tuesday because of the odds that AHCA will not pass the House, not the other way around. THe market wants Ryan’s agenda to be fulfilled.


7 posted on 03/22/2017 6:01:02 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: ShivaFan

Getting cold feet after betting the farm in the stock markets?


8 posted on 03/22/2017 6:01:24 AM PDT by MilesVeritatis (Devote yourself to the truth, no matter where it leads you.)
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To: ShivaFan
The most idiotic, nonsensical post I have seen at FR for a long time. Ryancare is rubbish. Period. It needs a be killed. Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan are heroes for fighting against Ryancare.
9 posted on 03/22/2017 6:06:20 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: ShivaFan

As a Trump supporter I am concerned about the Obamacare Repeal and Replace Bill. Besides Rand Paul, there are many Conservative Organizations mobilizing opposition to RyanCare.

If the Republicans do not have the backbone to outright repeal Obamacare, then the Republicans should let Obamacare implode as it is on course to do.


10 posted on 03/22/2017 6:08:25 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: babble-on
Nonsense. After Obamacare, the next best way to kill the economy is Obamacare light aka Ryancare.
11 posted on 03/22/2017 6:09:05 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: VTenigma

I agree with you. And while I am disgusted by McCain and Graham’s actions against Trump, before and after the election, I think Cruz has come around in supporting him, and I think Rand Paul is trying to be sure they end up with a workable health care bill. I would rather they get it right than push something through for the sake of saying it is done.


12 posted on 03/22/2017 6:12:27 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: ShivaFan

How are the markets doing today?


13 posted on 03/22/2017 6:15:41 AM PDT by deport
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To: SmokingJoe

The most idiotic, nonsensical post I have seen at FR for a long time. Ryancare is rubbish. Period. It needs a be killed. Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan are heroes for fighting against Ryancare.

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I think you meant Ted Cruz and RAND Paul are heroes ....

And on that I agree. Too many Freepers - like Shiva here - see Ted Cruz as bad. Bad, I tell you. The enemy.

What they fail to remember is the dinner meeting he had several weeks back with Pres. Trump. Cruz is playing a key role here in repeal/replace.


14 posted on 03/22/2017 6:15:49 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: NEMDF

What I am hoping is that the bill passes in the house, one passes in the senate, and then, in reconciliation, we get something decent. It is a big risk but I don’t think standing pat is an option.


15 posted on 03/22/2017 6:17:45 AM PDT by statered ("And you know what I mean.")
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To: statered

What I am hoping is that the bill passes in the house, one passes in the senate, and then, in reconciliation, we get something decent. It is a big risk but I don’t think standing pat is an option.
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Exactly my plan as well. And the obvious argument to make to the remaining NO votes to get them to go along. I’m betting it will go this way in the end.


16 posted on 03/22/2017 6:26:48 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed. About time.)
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To: ShivaFan

I would suggest that instead of accusing every single good intentioned Republican or Conservative of trying to sabotage Trump’s presidency ( NOT TRUE ) simply because they do not agree in every policy with him, we objectively look at the issue that needs to be faced.

Let’s look at healthcare for instance. There are five factions in this battle.

1) The Democrats and the political left want government-run healthcare, in the form of universal coverage and/or single-payer.

2) Conservatives ( Count me in this bucket) want free market reforms without government involvement.

3) The establishments of both parties (e.g. Paul Ryan ) want only the status quo, slow walking any changes to the point that nothing changes.

4) A majority of Americans believe the federal government should make sure everyone has healthcare coverage.

5) Lastly President Trump has a goal of “insurance for everybody.”

Many folks in this forum talk as if trying to reconcile every single one of the above desires is easy. IT ISN’T.

What is unfair is to tar and feather every single person who disagrees with Trump as a sabotager with ill-intentions.

So, here’s how I see how a compromise could to more or less, reconcile the above disparate.

REMEMBER: The default is Obamacare, which is not working, is unpopular, leaves millions without insurance and is in a financial death spiral. Nothing changes until something changes.

Whether or not one likes it, A DEAL HAS TO BE MADE and Trump, the consummate deal maker will have to be in the thick of it.

My own thought is this:

TWO PLANS RUNNING IN PARALLEL SIDE BY SIDE.

1) PLAN A: Medicaid-for-all

2) PLAN B: free-market driven private insurance industry, free from government interference.

You get to choose which one you prefer.

PLAN A: Medicaid for all will include catastrophic coverage. Exactly what insurance is designed to protect against. The unexpected and expensive.

To analogize this with car insurance, This is for the car wreck, the accidents, not the oil change or new wipers.

Details can be worked out.

This should satisfy the political left as it provides their holy grail of universal coverage, and makes concern over preexisiting conditions moot. As well as the majority of Americans who by, “a 76 percent to 24 percent majority also agrees that since most other advanced countries can afford to provide universal health insurance, so could this country.” (See here: http://www.theharrispoll.com/politics/Health-Care-Moral-Issue.html )

PLAN B: Market driven private insurance. You are free to reject PLAN A and join PLAN B.

In Plan B, wegovernment out of the rest of the insurance business. No mandates. No essential benefits. No requirement for individuals to purchase insurance or for employers to provide it. An open market. Purchase what you want and need. Price competition and transparency.

Let individuals choose how to spend their money. Like purchasing other types of insurance – auto, home, disability, life, and so on.

Let health insurance companies nationwide COMPETE to provide their service just like every single insurance companies do for other types of insurance.

Many will be happy with their “free” Medicaid. Others will choose to purchase up for coverage of what they deem important. No one will be left uncovered.

That’s how I see how we can compromise given the practical reality we have to face with.


17 posted on 03/22/2017 6:27:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: ShivaFan

See..you shouldn’t have skipped your meds yesterday.


18 posted on 03/22/2017 6:35:41 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: SeekAndFind

The Freedom Caucus, as well as many conservatives, are holding up on TWO issues...the individual mandate and the Cadillac tax.

If they would remove these two things...FC members would be on board. At least, this is how I understood Hannity explaining it, last night.


19 posted on 03/22/2017 6:37:10 AM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: ShivaFan

The Republicans in Congress should have taken Pres. Trump’s advice and left Obamacare to collapse on its own. Ryan’s plan will be a failure, and if it passes, the GOP will own it.


20 posted on 03/22/2017 6:38:25 AM PDT by txrefugee
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