Posted on 03/21/2017 4:52:39 PM PDT by Enlightened1
Including the subsidies?
Yes, in the original meaning of the word "terrific," of which most people today HAVE NO CLUE.
A few realities:
(1) There aren’t 60 votes in the Senate to repeal Obamacare
(2) Because of 1 you have to “amend” Obamacare through the reconciliation process
(3) not only are there not 60, there aren’t 50 votes in the Senate to pass a free market nirvana bill
(4) because of Medicaid and Medicare government is already over 50% of the healthcare system - that’s not going away unless you want complete eradication of the Republican Party
(5) the Ryan bill isn’t perfect, but it has to thread a needle between the Freedom Caucus and “moderates” in the Senate. This bill is likely as good as conservatives will get in generation
(6) it is a start. If Repubs can get to 60 Senate seats in 2018 then more radical changes can be contemplated
(7) w/o the debt savings from RyanCare there will be no tax cuts because they have to go through the same reconciliation process and the total can’t add to the deficit/debt
(8) if this bill goes down the Trump presidency will be in complete disarray - possible threatening Grouch, tax cuts, a border wall and many other things
at this point the Republicans simply need to ram through a simple repeal bill.
Which will FORCE them to come to the table when we get to the “replacement” bill.
It may well pass with Democrat votes.
Republicans will then own the disasterpiece formerly known as Obamacare. No true conservative or free market fixes will ever pass. Way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Actually Trump’s vision of American Healthcare is just fine. The MSM spins it and distorts his words.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Health_Care.htm
Sampling of content:
Q: You’ve said you want to end ObamaCare, but you’ve also said you want to make coverage accessible for people with pre-existing conditions. How?
TRUMP: We’re going to be able to. You’re going to have plans that are so good, because we’re going to have so much competition in the insurance industry.
Q: Are you going to have a mandate?
TRUMP: ObamaCare, by the way, was a fraud. Jonathan Gruber, the architect of ObamaCare, said it was a great lie, it was a big lie. President Obama said you keep your doctor, you keep your plan. The whole thing was a fraud, and it doesn’t work.
Q: Public health efforts like smoking cessation, drunk driving laws, vaccination, and water fluoridation have improved health and productivity and save millions of lives. How would you improve federal research and our public health system?
TRUMP: The implication of the question is that one must provide more resources to research and public health enterprises. In a time of limited resources, one must ensure that the nation is getting the greatest bang for the buck.
We cannot simply throw money at these institutions and assume that the nation will be well served. What we ought to focus on applying resources to those areas where we need the most work. Our efforts to support research and public health initiatives will have to be balanced with other demands for scarce resources. My administration will work to establish national priorities and then we will work to make sure that adequate resources are assigned to achieve our goals.
Our elected representatives in the House & Senate must allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions?
As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
There are other reforms that might be considered if they serve to lower costs, remove uncertainty & provide financial security for all Americans. And we must also take actions in other policy areas to lower healthcare costs and burdens. Enforcing immigration laws, eliminating fraud and waste and energizing our economy will relieve the economic pressures felt by every American.
Valid points @ 31, but for a populist, Trump has been far more conservative than the usual crowd that tries to be more conservative than the next.
With that said, we need to stand with him and demand the changes he claims are coming in part 2 and part 3. He has kept his promises. This bill has problems, but we have to start somewhere so for the time being I will trust the man. He has earned that much.
Much of the angst over this bill has been created by the media efforts to make it sound like the party is imploding. The GOP has problems, but it won’t implode over this and the idea that one bill will fix everything that is broken is unrealistic to me.
Trump is going to own this and given his competitive nature, he won’t settle for failure. Just my .02
“You should start distrusting the source that informed you of that.”
My source is my memory. And I do distrust it.
What you said makes sense.
So do we have to have 60 votes to repeal?
If so, why can we make changes without 60 votes?
“What he CAN do is reduce the fine to 0. And he has.”
So why not raise the cost to a billion dollars? Wouldn’t that mean it still legally exists but no one can actually use it?
There’s got to be a way to shut this thing down. It just seems like too many don’t want to do it.
Yes it was.
Yes it was.
Here is a link to the Rand Paul interview, on Lou dobbs/FoxBiz, tonight....
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5367582874001/?#sp=show-clips
I beleive the fail is intentional. They (Ryan and other GOPe types) floated over a week ago that if this fails, everything else on Trump's agenda is on hold, doomed at the gate. That mean no tax cuts, for example. There is no link between this bill and those other things so there was no reason to tie them together except to lay the groundwork for blocking Trump later. And the first step was making a bill so bad it couldn't pass. Next step, when the bill fails, will be to say Trump's presidency is in crisis and freeze everything until they can undermine him enough that he stops trying or gets thrown out.
This is very cynical of me. But I believe it 100%. Paul Ryan is either getting paid by someone or is just naturally a snake but he will never help Trump, he's just waiting to slip the knife in.
That link didn’t work for me. This one did:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b5mGqAYr1c
If the Ryan Bill fails, we'll try something else. Maybe this was President Trump's plan all along. I don't think it would hurt him in the least, but it will be interesting to see how he handles this eventuality if it comes to pass.
What's the big deal? A different bill can be proffered, right? The American People are perfectly willing to be patient and let Congress do this right.
Don't you just love how these Establishment clowns try to act like the sky is falling if they don't get their way?
President Trump will end up signing an 0bamacare replacement bill, but it won't necessarily be this bill.
If the main points which conservatives and free market proponents wanted are not in this legislation, then they should be incorporated, or else we should get a better piece of legislation.
Again, the Legislature needs to get this right. All the President can do is sign (or not sign) what the legislature sends him. The patriot leaders in Congress (Senators Cruz, Paul, and analogous Representatives) need to come up with superior alternatives if this effort fails.
Let's have a great bill...
Thanks for posting the youtube link.
The direct Fox vid links are sometimes tricky!
One word; RINOs. We don’t have even 50 in the Senate for actual repeal.
You are very welcome. Links to videos are often buggy and get their permissions revoked etc.Its a very interesting segment. Thanks for making it available.
It’s not Obamacare II. If it passes and Trump signs it, it then becomes TrumpCare and would put Trump in the ludicrous position of promoting a renamed but still collapsing governmentcare system.
Why do you call it a repeal? It removes funding sources for a collapsing system and renames some things. How is that any sort of repeal? If this is a “repeal” then the ACA is truly “affordable” and should be allowed to stand as is.
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