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California to fight if EPA eases emissions rule
The San Fransicko Chronicle ^ | March 11, 2017 | Carolyn Lochhead

Posted on 03/12/2017 7:02:21 PM PDT by Navy Patriot

The Trump administration is expected to start rolling back tough limits on carbon pollution from cars and trucks this week, and may be considering a plan to revoke California’s authority to set its own pollution standards for vehicles, a linchpin of the state’s effort to battle climate change.

Environmental Protection Agency chief Scott Pruitt is pushing the move to weaken emissions standards, siding with auto manufacturers that argue vehicle fuel efficiency standards put in place by the Obama administration will cost billions of dollars. On Thursday, he said he would move “very, very soon” to roll them back.

If that happens, California will probably exercise its special authority, known as a waiver, to keep the current vehicle emissions standards in place, laying the groundwork for an extraordinary tug-of-war between the state and the federal EPA.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfchronicle.com ...


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To: rockrr

“I build my own cars.”

And you can also build your own guns.


21 posted on 03/12/2017 7:39:47 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: rockrr
I build my own cars.

As do I, but they are still coming for you.

22 posted on 03/12/2017 7:41:13 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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To: Navy Patriot

Who’s air is it anyway? :P

I recognize a local interest in reducing smog, etc. from certain environmental impact regions. As a believer in states rights and self-determination, I’d allow California to set the environmental regs they wish but those stop at the state border. Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, etc. have no requirement to follow them.


23 posted on 03/12/2017 7:43:02 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Get used to it - President Donald J. Trump)
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To: Navy Patriot

When Trump’s economic plans take effect, CA will be left in the dust while the rest of the country is forging ahead.

We used to be the Golden State. Soon we will be Left-Behind State.


24 posted on 03/12/2017 7:44:14 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: vette6387

“Like “our” current “approved” handgun list, I hope that auto mfr’s, like many of the HG makers, refuse to make CA specific vehicle”

I don’t think it would go that way CA is to way big of a market if CA pushes this l don’t know how it plays out the waiver should have been pulled by now, they will use it to hold the market hostage. The time is now to take them on and end thier tyranny of the market.


25 posted on 03/12/2017 7:45:51 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: McGavin999
I remember watching Lets Make a Deal when I was a kid.

In the early 70s they touted the car that the contestant won had "California emissions".

I didn't know what that meant.

I just saw a 1974 Vega.

Some "prize".

26 posted on 03/12/2017 7:45:55 PM PDT by boop ("We don't feel like we are doing anything illegal"- Democrat credo)
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To: Navy Patriot

California’s ever changing emission standards have also destroyed plenty of small businesses. I remember several years ago, small shops had to struggle to afford new testing equipment when they changed the program—the machines those days were in the $50-100K range.

Just about the time the shop owners were able to secure financing on the new equipment, Sacramento changed its mind again. So the small business owners were left up to their alligators in debt for nothing.

Normally, I do not want the feds interfering with state business. But, California has become a rogue state, engaging in unconstitutional practices and needs to be brought to heel.


27 posted on 03/12/2017 7:46:29 PM PDT by jazminerose (Adorable Deplorable)
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To: Navy Patriot

So, their “religion” IS Gaia, the “revolution”, and their Mexican-atheist-socialist future.


28 posted on 03/12/2017 7:47:00 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: OrangeHoof

Please stop trying to use science, logic, reason, common sense, historical records or Christian charity when evaluating California politicians or policy.


29 posted on 03/12/2017 7:47:01 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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To: jazminerose

I watched all that happen, too.


30 posted on 03/12/2017 7:49:32 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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To: Navy Patriot

So you remember insanity? Wasn’t it about treadmill testing?


31 posted on 03/12/2017 7:51:16 PM PDT by jazminerose (Adorable Deplorable)
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To: rockrr
I build my own cars.

Do you pour and machine your own castings, mill your gears, build & program your ECU, etc?

Or do you assemble differentials, gearboxes, crate engines which have been manufactured by others for production or previous production cars, etc. on a ladder frame you've welded in your shop?

EPA, CARB and NHTSA mandated designs greatly affect the types of components available to the backyard builder/hot rodder/kit builder.

32 posted on 03/12/2017 7:53:38 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("The church ... is not the master or the servant of the state, but the conscience" - Luther)
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To: Navy Patriot

California’s relevance is diminishing before our very eyes.

Children could do better leading my state, provided they hadn’t spent years being indoctrinated by Leftists.

It would be laughable if it weren’t so serious.


33 posted on 03/12/2017 7:54:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (NeverTrump, a movement that was revealed to be a movement. Thank heaven we flushed!)
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To: Navy Patriot

You’re right, of course. You can’t apply logic liberals. It frightens them and they lash out.

The basic principles of logic will never fit a liberal argument anyway.


34 posted on 03/12/2017 7:55:14 PM PDT by jazminerose (Adorable Deplorable)
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To: BwanaNdege

Just keep your big SUV’s. People with RV trailers are going to pay big bucks for them in the future.


35 posted on 03/12/2017 7:56:18 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Navy Patriot

I have a 2013 Mustang that I intend to re-engine as necessary until I die.


36 posted on 03/12/2017 7:59:38 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Time to IMPEACH Jerry MOONBEAM Brown. Bad laws, bad leadership. Oh Ya, we need the “Meth Express” excuse me the Bullet Train.


37 posted on 03/12/2017 7:59:46 PM PDT by hapnHal
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To: Navy Patriot

IOW, CA needs the money from all of the clean air fees, and the Feds are threatening their gravy train.


38 posted on 03/12/2017 8:06:50 PM PDT by lurk (TEat)
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To: Navy Patriot

I’d love to see the manufacturers refuse to comply with CA specific rules. We could visit in a few years and CA highways would look like the streets of Cuba with all of the old model vehicles kept running.


39 posted on 03/12/2017 8:13:01 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: BwanaNdege
Do you pour and machine your own castings, mill your gears, build & program your ECU, etc?

I'm not quite that advanced although I have dabbled in all those tings.

EPA, CARB and NHTSA mandated designs greatly affect the types of components available to the backyard builder/hot rodder/kit builder.

Yep, that's pretty much the point of this thread. I purchase, scrounge, and barter for what I want and pay little attention to what the alphabets bark about. As a consequence my machines are, to varying degrees, outlaw. I'm fine with that. I don't have that many years left and I've decided that life is too short to subordinate myself to leftists. F 'em.

40 posted on 03/12/2017 8:14:16 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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