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The Marine Corps Wants To Buy 11,000 M27 Infantry Automatic Rifles
Task and Purpose ^ | February 16, 2017 | By Matthew Moss

Posted on 02/17/2017 1:54:33 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee

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To: GRRRRR

Yep, 9mm and .40, and also thought same Sig has .357sig barrel as another option. Hey - we might as well let the military have a front row seat for the ongoing “what’s the best handgun caliber” debate.

PS. Not wanting to start that debate here, btw. I love ‘em all.


21 posted on 02/17/2017 2:48:59 PM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: MrEdd
7.62 NATO wouldn’t be a niche caliber.

We're not going to regress back to .30 caliber infantry rifles. Those days are over. Even the Russians saw the light.

22 posted on 02/17/2017 2:52:25 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Nachoman

You’re not flying a State Flag, so I can’t comment on the practicalities of the matter. Then there’s the TBA ...

But before the TBA, I actually did the comparison. Yes, the piston system runs much cooler and cleaner in the receiver. The handguard can get a bit toasty, though. MagPul has some products to help with that.


23 posted on 02/17/2017 2:52:32 PM PST by NorthMountain (CNN is VERY Fake News)
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To: RightGeek

Magazine-fed automatic weapon? If it weren’t for the .556 caliber I’d say we’re returning to the BAR days.


24 posted on 02/17/2017 3:02:26 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: Nachoman

It seems simpler, lighter, and more flexible than a M249 squad automatic weapon belt fed. It weighs 7.9 lbs empty. An M249 weighs 17 lbs! The difference in weight equals about 330 rounds of ammo.


25 posted on 02/17/2017 3:06:01 PM PST by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: jonno
What happens when the gas inlet to the piston gets clogged?

Well obviously you clean it. This design is supposed to minimize the parts that are exposed to gas fouling.

26 posted on 02/17/2017 3:10:02 PM PST by SeeSharp
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To: SgtHooper

The reason they stick with the mass-wound-ammo instead of one-shot-one-kill ammo is because when fighting a civilized enemy mass-wound-ammo takes out much more people and resources to care for wounded than to handle the dead.

Indicative of the anticipated enemy in a large scale ground war.


27 posted on 02/17/2017 3:11:20 PM PST by Mechanicos
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To: GRRRRR

Yeah, that 40mm might have JUST A BIT of kick to it. :>)


28 posted on 02/17/2017 3:30:09 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: jonno

“What happens when the gas inlet to the piston gets clogged?”

Highly unlikely. Never heard of such happening.


29 posted on 02/17/2017 3:53:29 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: SeeSharp

If it’s like my Sig, there is a selector switch on the front of the gas tube. If it becomes clogged, you flip the selector. It was specifically designed that way in case you had to go a long time between cleanings.


30 posted on 02/17/2017 4:22:47 PM PST by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Darksheare

Whazzit?


31 posted on 02/17/2017 5:21:00 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Isn't this the same system on the LWRC?

You can pick one up (minus scope and extras), for about $2600.

32 posted on 02/17/2017 5:21:24 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Drew68

Heck, the M1892 Krag was a Norwegian design, the M1903 Springfield was practically a license-built Mauser 98, and elements of the German FG42 were copied (for better or worse) into the M60 GPMG.


33 posted on 02/17/2017 7:13:01 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: jonno
What happens when the gas inlet to the piston gets clogged?

Is the gas inlet to the gas tube on an impingement rifle known for clogging? No?

How mnay millions of rounds were fired through the M-1 and M-14 without gas system issues?

That said, I did have a M-1 issued to me at ITR that has a worn out gas piston, making it a single shot. God knows how many rounds that poor rifle had seen to get that worn.

34 posted on 02/17/2017 7:23:51 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Nachoman

I think there are other issues as well. Stoner’s original design is OK but if you do a lot of shooting, like an entire Hi Power match or more you will get powder residue and even unborn powder back around the bolt, especially with hotter reloads. Everything is OK if the ammo is all very similar and the platform standard. The problem is when you start deviating from very standard. Full auto causes problems, silencers cause problems, full auto AND silencer, etc. there are different ways to address these, change buffers for sub sonic, have a variable gas bolt for full auto, etc. one way to address all these is to have a piston gas system that is variable at the port. One solution fits all issues.

Just my opinion, YMMV.


35 posted on 02/18/2017 4:43:37 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Nachoman

My guess they want the M27 because it bumps up the range over the M4. But only by about 100 yards. The M27 will be less effective than the M4 clearing buildings.

The Israelis took care of this problem by going to the Tabor. Its good for clearing buildings because it has a bull pup design and will reach out to 600 yds.


36 posted on 02/18/2017 9:10:29 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Drew68

I heard some time ago that troops were questioning the lethality of 556, and there was a push to go 762 NATO, a widely-used round. However, the 762 rounds are heavier and fewer to the mag, so that may counter the hearsay.


37 posted on 02/23/2017 1:25:06 PM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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