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Lake Sediments Record Climate Change At Cahokia
archaeology.org ^ | Monday, February 13 | archaeology.org

Posted on 02/15/2017 8:36:43 AM PST by fishtank

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To: piasa

There are also some Indian mounds near Germantown, Ohio, as well as a great pair on Mt. Maria Carey.

I used to be an archaeologist. I really dig articles like this.


21 posted on 02/15/2017 9:07:37 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: momincombatboots

Not rigged- Cahokia went from being the major artisanal and trading center of the Southeast to abandoned about 1300 AD.... It sits on what is arguably some of the richest soil on Earth, in a flood-prone bottomland where corn grows fabulously well, so it would take something like a major drought to cause their agriculture to collapse. It would have to be prolonged because the resources in that area - fish, wetland wildife and flora, deer from the uplands nearby, would take a great deal of time to be consumed- their trading network stretched from the Gulf Coast to the Rockies and East Coast and in the north, Wisconsin, so if one area experienced a poor season or two there would be some way to provide for themselves. They also built granaries against short term crisis, so whatever happened to them was not just losing one year’s crop to a drought.
This isn’t a case where the archeologist is claiming their SUVs caused global climate change...this is a case where a series of events caused normal weather patterns to change in ways the people were unable to adjust to.
Could be their government- under an emperor and noble elite of sorts- was too centralized to deal with the calamity and very likely the people gave up on them when they couldn’t deliver, and revolted or broke up and went their separate ways.
The fits rather well with the Choctaw-Chickasaw origin stories of when they were one people, forced to wander, and separated.


22 posted on 02/15/2017 9:09:12 AM PST by piasa
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To: knarf

500 years takes the drought to 1850. In reading up on great plains\midwest droughts, the whole 19th century was considered dry with periods of drought.
The prior century as a whole was considered wet.

Which makes me wonder how Cahokia was in a 500 year drought ?
Here’s an older article with some different spin.

http://news.wisc.edu/as-the-river-rises-cahokias-emergence-and-decline-linked-to-mississippi-river-flooding/


23 posted on 02/15/2017 9:10:30 AM PST by stylin19a (Terrorists - "just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there")
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To: fishtank
We switch to profound drought at A.D. 1350

My research says it started around 1327 and lasted for 361 years and 4 months.........

24 posted on 02/15/2017 9:12:00 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Rebelbase

Yes... Cahokia had already risen and fallen by DeSoto’s time, though other Mississippian fiefdoms continued without it.


25 posted on 02/15/2017 9:12:17 AM PST by piasa
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To: momincombatboots

Mt St Helens was tiny.


26 posted on 02/15/2017 9:12:42 AM PST by piasa
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Ohio is an archaeologist’s dream. Not just Mississippians but Hopewell and Adena mounds, too.
Ohio’s Flint Ridge chert has appeared all over, including Cahokia, which has its own Mill Creek and Burlington chert.


27 posted on 02/15/2017 9:16:00 AM PST by piasa
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To: stylin19a

1200 to 1700. Cahokia was long gone before getting through the 500 years.
Not that “500 year drought” means there was a uniform drought affecting all localities for precisely 500 years; it means a widespread drought. Here and there, there could have been even short heavy rains, but insufficient to make much of a difference, or ill-timed. Some areas would fare better than others... in that region there’s a notable difference in temp depending on which side of the Mississippi you live on, or whether you live in the bottoms or on the highlands beyond the bluffs.
Once dried out that bottomland clay would be rock hard and if they did get a cloudburst now and then, it’d drain away before soaking in. It would take prolonged rain to soften it up. The clay there is called “gumbo” and it is rich and black when wet but pancakes with deep fissures when dry, very hard to work it dry. The sand ridges would be easier to work but even drier and not very fertile. Upland loes would blow away as it blew in. In fact, that tan-brown upland loess along the bluffs and interior of Illinois blew in from the far west in the first place, millions of years ago.


28 posted on 02/15/2017 9:32:56 AM PST by piasa
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To: fishtank

Wise liberals told me climate change all started during the evil industrial revolution.

Has the story changed yet again?


29 posted on 02/15/2017 10:20:40 AM PST by Stopthethreat
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To: Stopthethreat

Wise liberals told me climate change all started during the evil industrial revolution.

Has the story changed yet again?


No. They found it was easier to change the history books...


30 posted on 02/15/2017 10:31:17 AM PST by marktwain (We wanted to tell our side of the story. We hope by us telling our story...)
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To: piasa

Oh.

I didn’t know that!


31 posted on 02/15/2017 10:46:53 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

thank you. please do more of these. I really loved sunken_civ’s posts. I would love it if you did more of these.


32 posted on 02/15/2017 11:36:35 AM PST by ckilmer (q e)
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To: piasa

Doesn’t sound like they weren’t able to adjust. Sounds like they moved on to greener (wetter) pastures.


33 posted on 02/15/2017 2:25:24 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: fishtank

The problem was they were in St Louis.
It was a bad place back then too.....


34 posted on 02/15/2017 2:58:55 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: piasa

The interesting thing is that the vikings began their expansion in 800 AD at the beginning of the medieval warming period that lasted to about 1300. The last of the viking settlements in greenland were abandoned in 1400 when the little ice age in europe started.

Interestingly, the Mayan culture’s decline started about 800 AD as well because the rains stopped. and didn’t start again for about 500 years.


35 posted on 02/20/2017 1:56:25 PM PST by ckilmer (q e)
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To: stylin19a

this looks better researched than the drought theory.


36 posted on 02/20/2017 2:59:38 PM PST by ckilmer (q e)
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