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Trump expects Russia to return Crimea to Ukraine: White House
Reuters ^ | Feb 14, 2017 | None attributed

Posted on 02/14/2017 7:25:24 PM PST by BeadCounter

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To: Strac6

I don’t get it. Russia and Putin say they respect national sovereignty, except when they don’t. Taking over a nation or part of it by force is warlike act. Putin deserves to reap the punishments.


61 posted on 02/15/2017 9:42:52 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”

- Attributed to Mao Zedung


62 posted on 02/15/2017 9:54:17 AM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: elhombrelibre

Also, let’s look at reality. Grenada and Panama, sovereign countries both.. I’m not looking at calling our actions wrong, just the interesting concept of sovereignty.

Victors write the history books


63 posted on 02/15/2017 9:56:43 AM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: Strac6

Yes, the Mao quote sums up the justification for Putin very well. It’s might makes right. And both Grenada and Panama involved outcomes that returned power to the people of those countries, not annexation by the USA. They also involved protecting US citizens. People living in Crimea were Ukrainian citizens, some of whom speak Russian. It’s not exactly the same, legally. It’s more like how the Sudeten Germans were used to justify the takeover of Czechoslovakia.


64 posted on 02/15/2017 10:03:15 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“It’s might makes right.”

Reality is a bitch.


65 posted on 02/15/2017 10:14:19 AM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: Strac6

That’s why everyone will rearm in Europe.


66 posted on 02/15/2017 10:48:23 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Da Da Da


67 posted on 02/15/2017 11:49:06 AM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: Strac6

LOL, F the world because Russia wants an empire.

Russians are terrorists.


68 posted on 02/15/2017 12:07:17 PM PST by KOZ.
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I don’t know if I would call them terrorists, but...

When you have a militaristic, expansionist world power, with sophisticated nuclear, chemical and biologic weapons program and the delivery systems for them, led by a former KGB bully boy who reigns unchecked, with a population that has always respected raw power rather than the discrete political touch, helped in his rule by what can only be described as a vast criminal enterprise, sitting on incredible amounts of natural resources, in a country that has often punished political failure with a bullet, that has an economic system teetering on collapse because of the low price of oil upon which their economy is based, where one Muslim terrorist organizations, the Chechnians are kept under control by allowing them semi-autonomy in exchange for them providing “soldiers” when Putin needs to go after other Muslims, that is not an opponent to be taken lightly.


69 posted on 02/15/2017 4:30:05 PM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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