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Emergency: California’s Oroville Dam Spillway Near Failure, Evacuations Ordered
Breitbart ^ | Feb 12, 2017 | Joel B. Pollak1

Posted on 02/12/2017 4:26:47 PM PST by janetjanet998

Edited on 02/12/2017 9:33:58 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

The California Department of Water Resources issued a sudden evacuation order shortly before 5 p.m. Sunday for residents near the Oroville Dam in northern California, warning that the dam’s emergency spillway would fail in the next 60 minutes.

The Oroville Dam is the highest in the nation.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: butte; california; dam; dwr; evacuation; lakeoroville; liveoroville; moonbeamcanyon; moonbeammadness; oroville; orovilledam; orovillelive; runaway; spillway; sutter; water; yuba
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To: hoosiermama
How much more do they need to drain it. ? Is that the 30’

The guy on the live news feed says "about this far" (gesturing about four inches). That's assuming the hole that's forming hasn't worn through to the other side.

341 posted on 02/12/2017 7:29:17 PM PST by snarkpup (Socialism causes the worst people to become in charge, if they aren't already.)
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To: KC Burke
Actually, the levees in the Sacramento area along the Sacramento and American Rivers were extensively shored up between 1998 and 2004 after that VERY scary situation in January 1997 when the American River came within a few feet of overflowing its banks due to a massive Pineapple Express storm. I should know--I saw all the construction work going on near my current house with a lot of earth moving equipment to shore up the levees on both sides of the American River.
342 posted on 02/12/2017 7:29:32 PM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: ArmstedFragg

So stumps ramming fishing piers was more... I’m not really understanding this very well. Our dam operations here (7 dams on the 8 Highland Lakes, 2 Hydro) are extremely complicated... this dam just, something weird is going on.


343 posted on 02/12/2017 7:31:51 PM PST by txhurl (The LEFT are screaming at the Tsunami, and the Sky, trying to set fire to the Ocean- S.Tom)
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To: snarkpup

“Another data point just came in. The lake level has dropped 1/2 foot in the last two hours.”

Area of Lake Oroville is about 65,000,000 square meters. It dropped about .07 meters/hr. That’s about 4,550,000 cubic meters/hour, or about 1,201,655,000 gallons/hr, or about 20,000,000 gal/min (2.67 million cubic feet/min), or only 45,000 cf/s.

Since I heard they are releasing 100,000 cf/s, unless there is a lot more water coming into the lake, they should be OK after several more hours.


344 posted on 02/12/2017 7:32:01 PM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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To: ArmstedFragg
Problem is the spillway’s 30 feet high, and it’s unknown how far down it the erosion is. If the area of erosion breaks through at the bottom, the top 30 feet of the lake’ll flow through

The emergency spillway is concrete with piers. The concern is at the northwest end where the substrate is just dirt and stone, basically ordinary ground, at the corner of the parking lot.

345 posted on 02/12/2017 7:33:38 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: meyer

Poor design and poor maintenance.

Everybody knows that you can’t have flowing water on an earthen dam. The emergency dam to the left of the spillway is concrete atop a earthen dam. Water is overtopping the emergency dam and eroding the earthen base.

The emergency concrete spillway was damaged and never repaired.


346 posted on 02/12/2017 7:34:58 PM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: maggief

Remember a dam a few years back. The erosion from the overflow eventually ate away under the dam so the lake behind drained like a bath tub. It was small but even that small was horrible for those down stream.


347 posted on 02/12/2017 7:36:04 PM PST by hoosiermama (When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.DJT)
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To: VanShuyten

Good math work! Inflow’s about 40K cfs at the moment.


348 posted on 02/12/2017 7:37:56 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (So Long Obie)
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To: Ray76
The emergency concrete spillway was damaged and never repaired.

That's the main spillway. And that hole is kind of "cosmetic", to tell you the truth, it just goes down to bedrock and that's the end of it. It is eroding to the sides which is kind of messy. But the hole is nowhere near the lake -- it is far back through the hill.

349 posted on 02/12/2017 7:38:27 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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A good explanatory video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQxVmKnBgvc


350 posted on 02/12/2017 7:39:40 PM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: steve86

Looks like more than a cosmetic problem. Much more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnH6ePmJOis


351 posted on 02/12/2017 7:41:37 PM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: tomkat; meyer

V notch effect & dam construction post by an engineer

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/oroville-dam-failure-scott-cahill


352 posted on 02/12/2017 7:42:33 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: hoosiermama

Evacuation orders are “just in case”.


353 posted on 02/12/2017 7:43:08 PM PST by maggief
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To: Ray76

That’s what I’m starting to wonder.. is this a planned failure?

Either A) the engineers, at design, never dreamed there could be rainfall like there has been recently (unlikely), B) Engineers assigned to the dam are crooked and not reporting decay - and where is ACE on this?! - or C) somebody wanted that dam to fail.

Never attribute to stupidity that which is explainable by malice.


354 posted on 02/12/2017 7:43:31 PM PST by txhurl (The LEFT are screaming at the Tsunami, and the Sky, trying to set fire to the Ocean- S.Tom)
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To: Ray76

The big hole part way down the main spillway has nothing to do with the dam’s ability to hold the lake back.


355 posted on 02/12/2017 7:46:55 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

I was born and raised in LIve Oak, survived the flood of Christmas 1955. Oroville Dam was planned and built due to that devasting flood. Yuba City was hit the worst during that one. Prayers for anyone living south of the dam


356 posted on 02/12/2017 7:49:08 PM PST by Sammie42
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To: txhurl

Jerry Brown’s merry band of bureaucrats have been in charge too long. CA has had several periods much above average rainfall since 1968, not a problem before. DWR waited too long looking at the “hole” in the regular spillway...should have been releasing at 50,000+ CFS all along and fix the spillway later. Now they are behind the curve and doing 133000+ CFS to try and prevent water from going around the end of the emergency spillway.

Lake level is down about a foot since 8am:
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO&d=12-Feb-2017+19:43&span=12hours


357 posted on 02/12/2017 7:51:07 PM PST by Drago
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To: meyer
After hearing some further details I'd not heard previously, the hole you mentioned does seem to be the main concern at the moment.

KCRA talking heads are starting to make relief noises re the water level at the emerg spillway currently dropping slightly, as the main spillway has been opened to 130,000cfs.

However, any significant undercutting/holes that might already have developed on the lee side would throw the engineering parameters into some question/doubt for the structure as a whole.

With even more storms forecast for that area early in the week, the situation seems by no means resolved, even should tonight pass without a major breach.

Anyway, apologies for the naysaying, FRiend.

358 posted on 02/12/2017 7:51:12 PM PST by tomkat
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To: txhurl

There was a thread a few months back about a dam in Iran looking like it was going to fail.
did that thing ever go down?


359 posted on 02/12/2017 7:53:57 PM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: kara37
Watching it on TV out of Sacramento. It is horrifying. The water is being dumped into Feather River, which dumps into Sacramento River which dumps into the delta. My nephew who lives in Foster City on the lagoon put up a picture that the lagoon has turned brown they think from Oroville.

We have three more dry days, then 8 more days of rain. Real disaster, but not to worry we will protect the illegal felons.

360 posted on 02/12/2017 7:54:25 PM PST by w1andsodidwe (TRUMP. He makes me smile, too.)
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