Prager: Why My Stepsons’ Father Killed Himself

Truthrevolt.org ^ | 1-31-2017 | Dennis Prager

[Mrs. Don-o]

Suicide is a mortal sin under the condition that the person knows that the act is a sin and, in his right mind and in control of his faculties, deliberately chooses it anyway,

Chronic severe pain causes depression, panic/anxiety states and all sorts of brain function changes. I think it’s charitable and just to assume that this unfortunate suffering man was being “pushed” by the pathology of sin.

If so, he would not be fully morally responsible for his act.

We must pray for his soul. He is in the hands of his merciful Maker, a being supremely just and kind..

[Yaelle]

I doubt it. His wife, who btw is a wonderful person, converted to Judaism when they married.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I meant to type:

"Pushed by the pathology of PAIN."

My point was that you cannot "assume" the whole subjective weight of mortal sin in cases like this. Pray for this man.

[Crucial]

I feel sorry for this guy. Medicine has come a long way but has a long way to go. I’m sure Obama’s tax on medical devices didn’t help research and development of imaging technology.

[Crucial]

Another reason not to live in liberal Kalifornia...

[Agamemnon]

What IS unforgivable is knowing the Truth, accepting Salvation, then denying Christ when you are asked to Witness. In the Bible, that is the only unforgivable sin I have read of.

Peter, who correctly identified Jesus Christ as the Son of God denied Christ three successive times after Jesus was arrested. Jesus certainly forgave him when He appeared to Peter after He arose.

Christians unfortunately and too often live and behave in ways that deny Christ by their words and actions. Forgiveness is extended to them as they request it of Christ, because "He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins." (1 John 1:9). It is His promise to us.

The unforgivable sin of denying Christ is applicable to the one who refuses Christ as Savior.

FReegards!

[Liz]

Great point.

[Crucial]

Well, people who have undergone traumatic injury and surgery should be placed at the rope of the list or scale, if they even use a scale or are educated about it.

[eddie willers]

In my case as well. In my mid twenties I got pleurisy. If childbirth is more painful, I’m surprised generations continue to be born.

I was in such pain that I had to call my mother to take me to the hospital, where I was doubled over looking like a crab and calling for “morphine”.

The nurse was convince I was a drug addict going through withdrawal but my mother finally prevailed.

So they shot me up with morphine and I didn’t, in the least, feel “high”. But the pain went away.

So add another person (anecdotally, of course) that believes that if you are in great pain, the drug acts differently than if you are using it “recreationally”.

[Crucial]

Rope=top

[Hugin]

F--k Prohibition, and f--k Tyranny in all its forms. If this man had lived in a different state, he'd still be alive, and the fact that some people can't handle true Liberty doesn't mean that it should be brought down to its lowest common denominator because of the weak.

I basically agree, but being in another state probably wouldn't help. I'm in CA and most of this is coming from the DEA, not the state, at least according to my doctors.

[DuncanWaring]

I’m not going to doubt anything written here.

That said, however, I’m perplexed in that I’ve read that part of the problem with the OxyContin/variants addiction epidemic is that when the patients/addicts go to doctors to get prescription refills, they use threats of “bad ratings” to extort refills against the better judgement of their doctors.

[pax_et_bonum]

Prayers for Bruce and all of his loved ones.

[Robert DeLong]

Oh I have several of those, that is not the kind of pain I am talking about.

[Albion Wilde]

...industrialist Cornelius Vanderbilt....the richest man in America at the time...lived and died a painful death b/c scar tissue had formed on a procedure....and back then there was nothing to help him.

And Benjamin Franklin, arguably the most famous person in the Western world for decades, had to stand on his head to pee because of kidney stones. It was the only way to dislodge them from blocking the ureters.

[Liz]

horrible.

[TheNext]

WHISKEY

Seriously, how would a few crates of whiskey handle long term pain. I figure store some in the cellar if ever needed. A century ago that is how it was done.

[Agamemnon]

Well, that’s a ‘Duh!’ I’m pretty sure that grinding it up and snorting it isn’t what it says on the prescription bottle. ;)

I was a member of the original research and development team for Oxycontin and MS-contin (that is, morphine sulfate) drug products in the 1980's at Purdue Pharma (at that time known as Purdue-Frederick). The drug product was never developed for the purpose of grinding up, and it was never approved for grinding up and subsequent administration by snorting.

The problem is not the drug product itself, which has relieved the pain of many for over 3 decades. The problem is with those who choose to abuse the use of the medication.

Over-eating will kill, but the problem is not with the food, but with the glutton. There's your "duh."

No different than with Oxycontin.

I later had the privilege of serving as a Review Chemist with FDA, vested with granting approvals for drug products intended for marketing. FDA approves product labeling.

Products prescribed and consumed as labeled are with few exceptions clinically safe and effective.

Common sense should inform users to follow the label, but it is not the problem of the product that some people choose to ignore the label.

FReegards!

[Yaelle]

His steps kids dad might have been Christian.

[Yaelle]

Interesting experience. Thank Gd and you guys for OxyContin. People need to be taught reality about prescription drugs, opiates, and addiction. Doctors need to prescribe with foresight and follow up. And then let be what is. Im pretty libertarian on drugs.

I’ve had two brain surgeries and lots of morphine experience, and for me the time to quit is always the FIRST time you think to yourself, it doesn’t hurt right NOW but I will take one for later. Done, no more.